I read and reread “Abrams’ Bad Robot” as “Abrams’ bad reboot” several times before I got it right. I guess the mind sees what it wants to see.
So I made this complaint over on the Star Trek community … but others might have some different thoughts here.
Any Trek fans tired of the reboots / prequels (and yes, even hard sequels)? All Trek since Voyager has been either a prequel or a had sequel (Picard). From Enterprise, through the Kelvin films to SNW … there hasn’t been a new Trek without at least Spock or a member of the Soong family making an appearance.
The big exceptions being Lower Decks and Prodigy … which are animations that are either targeting children or trying to be a comedy … which says I think (and I like Lower Decks, don’t get me wrong) all you need to hear about how risk-averse modern star trek productions are to trying something new (compared to the TNG era and of course TOS).
Hopefully after they saw what Haynes could do with a non-Skywalker/Palpatine Star Wars show, they’ll let him make a non-Kirk/Picard/Spock Star Trek movie. I’m ready for that
Me too!
God yes. Not just with Trek but with everything. I am getting real sick of seeing so many origin stories for things I am already intimately familiar with. Like, I know these are for new fans but still. There are so fucking many! There should be a proportional amount of fan service stuff for us existing fans, ya know?
With Trek specifically, I just want to see the TNG/Voy/DS9 era styling. I don’t necessarily want to see the same characters, but just have them referenced and still a part of the world’s history. The occasional cameo. Lower Decks gets it. Lower Decks feels specifically made for people like me.
Hm, so it’s only the director of certain episodes. I misread this and thought it was Tony Gilroy for a moment - that would be really interesting!
I really wish they’d kill that franchise. Same with Star Wars. Do something new for a change.
As long as Tony Gilroy isn’t involved, I’m down for it.
What makes you say that?
Rogue One was garbage, largely because Gilroy never liked Star Wars.
Huh … I, and I thought many, rather liked Rogue One. And Andor too (best New SW since … I don’t know … the original trilogy?)
Rogue One and Andor are liked by people who don’t like Star Wars.
The only Star Wars fans I’ve heard dislike Rogue One are the ones who only like Star Wars cause it’s easy to complain about it and actually have people listen to you.
The problems started with Gareth Edwards who so totally fucked everything up, he got removed and Tony Gilroy had to be brought in to salvage it.
https://ew.com/movies/2018/04/05/rogue-one-reshoots-tony-gilroy/
But, in re-writing and re-shooting, he fucked it up more.
Andor introduced by killing a dude in cold blood? That was Gilroy. Andor being conflicted and unable to take the shot on a legitimate military target? That was Edwards.
So you have this mish-mash of conflicting story beats, but most fans ignore it because YEEE-HAW! VADER HALLWAY FIGHT! Ignoring that he force grabs literally everyone and every thing in the hallway… except the one thing he’s there for, because the plans HAVE TO get away.
So they show Vader watching the blockade runner fly away, contradicting the classic opening of Star Wars… which Gilroy would have known if he had been a fan.
“I had no reverence for it whatsoever,” he said. “It doesn’t appeal to me, but I don’t think Rogue really is a Star Wars movie in many ways,” he added. “To me, it’s a Battle of Britain movie.”
Andor introduced by killing a dude in cold blood? That was Gilroy. Andor being conflicted and unable to take the shot on a legitimate military target? That was Edwards.
So you have this mish-mash of conflicting story beats,
Or… character development. He’s grown up in the Rebellion, he’s OK with killing people in cold blood if he has to as long as he can justify it as hurting the Empire. Then he meets Jyn and Chirrut and Baze and he is forced to question his whole philosophy. He’s been ordered to kill Galen Erso, but only unofficially, after being told to bring him in alive. He’s gotten to know Jyn and knows what killing her father will do to her. He’s starting to see him as a person instead of just another Imperial target. So he hesitates.
God, in my opinion Rogue One is arguably the best Star Wars film, and if not, it’s a close second behind Empire.
And Andor just expands on the fact that it’s a whole galaxy of potential stories, it doesn’t just have to be about lightsabers and space wizards called Skywalker.
Yes, there seems to have been some behind the scenes decisions taken, and the whole film gave me a slightly different vibe to the original trailer. Would I love to see Gareth Edwards’s original cut of the film? Hell yes. Do I think Disney is taking the franchise in the Marvel “let’s make safe and less interesting popcorn entertainment rather than push the envelope and see what we can do with this universe” direction? Also yes.
lol … no.
Are we traitors of the empire now? Are you going to take us in to be punished for improper thoughts?
You don’t have to like those things.
But telling us what we do and don’t like?! That’s rubbish my friend.
I’ve watched every movie, and every tv show. I’ve read every comic, and 60% of the books. And I love them. But you know why I’m not a Star Wars fan? I love Rogue One.
Them and all the Star Wars fans I hear from.
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When you say “Star Wars,” do you mean everything after the original trilogy? I just can’t imagine this comment making sense otherwise.
