I vote for Debian sid (the “rolling” version of Debian). I use it and it’s great.

By “lack of developer freedom”, do you mean “lack of ability to take the freedom you got with the code away from the next person?”

Because that’s the primary restriction with the GPL.

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask.

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend’s Name]: What? How’d you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don’t know why.

Zuck: They “trust me”

Zuck: Dumb fucks

So the only ones who could actually go after them to force anything are the ones who originally wrote that GPL code

Not necessarily, the SFC is involved in a big case regarding Vizio about this right now.

Intel is Israeli? I thought they were an American company?

Either way just get a second hand Intel CPU if you want Intel and don’t need the latest and greatest.

Seriously. It’s infuriating. Everything is so damn dumbed down now it’s ridiculous! People are incapable of doing so much as reading error messages and doing basic troubleshooting, sometimes I wonder where society went wrong. They’re completely helpless with the technology that makes up more and more of our lives, and I hate to see it.

No, nobody did mention it, I was just making a side-point.

I also said there are advantages to Guix/Nix on foreign distros.

I think you posted this in the wrong place

I’m going to go against the grain and say that the Nix and Guix package managers are very good, but they really belong in their respective distros where they’re a core part of the system. That’d be Guix System for Guix and NixOS for Nix.

They may have advantages for a foreign distro too, but they are lesser (Guix System can boot into a backup of the system before the last update, for example, but that advantage doesn’t exist on, say, Debian.

Also, can we agree to not recommend these systems to new users for the time being? While they’re very powerful, they’re absolutely designed for power users, and until they’re more polished and they have fancy GUIs and stuff for installation and package management, I think it’d be best to keep recommending normal distros like Debian for now.

Yes, the users can redistribute however they like. That doesn’t stop you charging an initial fee (and most people would probably rather get software from the official source)

I personally don’t really like it, since it sidesteps what is supposed to be the all-in-one package manager for the system, and integration can be poor.

It’s an alright idea, but I like the native package managers better. We’re not Windows, we don’t need so many different places to download our stuff.

You definitely can. “Free” refers to the freedom of the users, not the freedom of people who might want to be users (that doesn’t even really make sense, how can you provide the freedoms to people who don’t even use the program?).

Not that I’m aware of. Debian is really an outlier, it’s strong community and motivation for software freedom is what makes Debian, Debian.

Debian, include /sbin and /usr/sbin in PATH by default.

I love the creative naming schemes that come from our community.

❤️

PDF: https://www.gnu.org/doc/Press-use/fsfs3-hardcover.pdf

Physical: https://shop.fsf.org/ (when it’s back open)

I have the opposite experience. Windows is infuriating to use. It doesn’t obey me. It updates whenever it feels like it, installs crap I don’t want and switches my defaults, all while selling my data.

And I’m also on a double NAT, it causes me no problems.

I’ve also never had problems compiling and running random projects. Hell, it’s a hell of a lot easier than on Windows.

I also did begin to use it at a young age, which probably helped.

I think ultimately it’s not a technical problem, but a familiarity problem that hurts adoption. Things don’t behave the same as people are used to so they disregard it. I guess that’s why Microsoft licensing Windows to be used in schools and then schools using it exclusively is so insidious. They’re hooking people young and then so many people are locked in indirectly. It’s deliberately increasing their dominance with plausible deniability.

This. GNU/Linux should be sold on the premise of the values of software freedom.

Stuff like:

Imagine being able to take a piece of software to any programmer you know or can find to fix a bug, or add something, or improve something, the same way you can take your car to any mechanic. And if you’re inclined, you can even work yourself. Think of how liberating that would be for the world’s communities.

Stuff like that

We can agree to disagree on the freedom point. The only “freedom” I see being taken away with the GPL is the removing of the freedom of other people.

I don’t mind the MIT/BSD licenses, but I won’t use them. We can agree on that.

It has it as a setting. It should be default though