• @cuentanuevaB
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    18 months ago

    Depends on what you are measuring/bragging about.

    Efficiency is the one that’s still a win for Apple. But raw power has been surpassed by Intel and AMD. Also Apple’s GPU was already surpassed last year with Snapdragon 8 gen 2, and even more with the gen 3.

    Plus the upcoming Qualcomm’s chip may be comparable in power efficiency, they claimed 30% less power use at the same performance as the M2 Max. So M3 would need to be much better in that sense to still have bragging rights next year.

    Basically, significantly different story from when the M1 released where the gap was bigger. The others are catching up fast.

    • @mime454B
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      18 months ago

      Qualcomm’s power/efficiency graph was for single core, which seems disingenuous to compare it to the M2 Max, which has the same single core performance as the M2.

    • @undernewB
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      18 months ago

      Plus the upcoming Qualcomm’s chip may be comparable in power efficiency, they claimed 30% less power use at the same performance as the M2 Max. So M3 would need to be much better in that sense to still have bragging rights next year.

      This was a bit misleading by Qualcomm. What they didn’t show was the power draw at peak multi-core compared to Apple Silicon. Why? It appears that the Snapdragon X Elite uses twice the amount of power as the M2 Max in for example Cinebench 2024 at approximately the same performance, making the power draw comparable to the M2 Ultra.

      • @cuentanuevaB
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        18 months ago

        Yeah, like someone else replied, they were using the M2 Max for single core instead of the M2. Which obviously paints things in their favor.

        I hate all companies doing that. Just like when Apple compares to “the Intel powered Macs” or vs the “best selling PC” (which obviously is gonna be worse) and that stuff.

        Obviously it’s all complex. It’s not all lineal. Power draw can be fine for most tasks and then be super high on the top end (kind of like the A17 which is power hungry with those P cores) and that could be fine or not depending on what you need.

        We have to wait for the reviews once it’s out. That’s why I wasn’t asserting what they said, just left it at what they claimed and what they could achieve.

      • @pastelfembyB
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        18 months ago

        And thats relying on things being ‘just benchmarks’.

        In real world usage on apple devices you’ve got typically far more performant libraries for the average dev, you’ve got far superior ML, especially on M series chips you’ve got things like the AMX which make a lot of operations desirable for ML literally twice as performant as the competition in many tasks. Fat memory bandwidth helps too of course.

        Theres a lot up apple’s sleeves from being so vertically integrated, and I think as per usual it will continue to reflect in the real world experience of users and developers.

    • @EssentialParadoxB
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      18 months ago

      What’s your source for that?

      Searching for benchmark scores on the Snapdragon 8 gen 3 turned up this:

      The Apple M1 leads the Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 by a hefty +55.58% in the single-core test and +31.47% in the multi-core benchmark – bearing in mind that’s comparing our median marks for the M1 against the theoretical best for the Windows on ARM-based laptop. Understandably, the advantages for the Apple M2 are even greater, with the new MacBook Air/Pro processor snagging a massive +72.57% lead over the Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 in the single-core run and enjoying a +54.89% multi-core difference. So while the Qualcomm processor does offer a very attractive generational performance leap over its own family, it is clearly a distant runner-up to the Apple M-series.

      https://www.notebookcheck.net/Snapdragon-8cx-Gen-3-vs-Apple-M2-ARM-based-ThinkPad-X13s-Geekbench-records-show-generational-improvement-but-still-years-behind-Apple-silicon.629767.0.html

      And even that article was from before the M2 Pro and Max CPUs came out…