• buzziebee@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    For fucks sake. This division could lead to the momentum folks causing the labour party to split into factionalism again and lose the upcoming GE. Starmer isn’t going to be able to do much to affect any ceasefire or literally anything in the conflict whilst in opposition, but if the Tories squeeze out another 5 years the UK will be in a dire dire state. Keep your eyes on the fucking goal.

    • SbisasCostlyTurnover@feddit.uk
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      10 months ago

      I’d be absolutely stunned if Labour found a way to lose the next GE based on a foreign policy issue.

      I’m also not sure how voting for a ceasefire in a conflict that’s seen over 11,000 dead civilians in a month can be construed as a bad thing.

      Had Starmer not ordered his MPs to abstain I’m going to assume there would be significantly more than the 50 or so who voted with this motion.

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      10 months ago

      Keep your eyes on the fucking goal.

      The goal is moral and ideological purity, right? Right?

      Actually I’m torn like most lefties on this. I see the constant self-damage in the Labour Party’s tendency to split into ideological factions. But I also admire people who are principled enough to quit their jobs because they can’t accept this implicit support for a horrific military campaign. It’s the old, difficult question of whether to dissent silently (and ineffectively?) from the inside or openly (and ineffectively?) from the outside.

      And yes, if the Tories win the next election I can’t imagine the state the country will be in a few years later.

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    10 months ago

    Good. I hope more follow. Those who voted against… I feel sick thinking about these people.

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        10 months ago

        It’s true that not the UK, not the EU, and sure was hell not even the US can stop what’s unfolding on our screens physically.

        But diplomacy is about sending signals and messages of which the message of a ceasefire from the UK House Of Commons is a very powerful one. Having a large number of MPs calling for a ceasefire is doing something.

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          10 months ago

          Hamas have no intention of abiding by a ceasefire, so calling for one is essentially saying that Hamas can attack Israel all they like but Israel can’t fight back.

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        10 months ago

        Minority group, in an opposition party, in a country that has no say, over a conflict that has no real effect on us.

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    10 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    A wave of Labour frontbenchers including senior MP Jess Phillips have resigned in order to back an SNP motion calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.

    Rachel Hopkins, Sarah Owen and Andy Slaughter have also left their frontbench roles after breaking the party whip to back the amendment.

    Two parliamentary private secretaries, Dan Carden and Mary Foy, have also left the frontbench, with 56 Labour MPs rebelling in total to back the SNP amendment.

    The Labour Party has been divided over its approach to the Middle East conflict, with numerous MPs and some members of the shadow frontbench calling for a ceasefire - something Sir Keir Starmer does not currently support.

    The Labour leader has backed the UK Government’s position of pushing for humanitarian pauses in the fighting to allow aid to reach Palestinians trapped in the bombarded territory but stopping short of calling for a total cessation of hostilities - saying that would “embolden” Hamas.

    She told the Politics Hub with Sophy Ridge: "We have to make our positions clear… our job in Parliament is to use our platforms to convince people, which is what I did in the chamber earlier.


    The original article contains 676 words, the summary contains 191 words. Saved 72%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    10 months ago

    What a pair of stupid political parties the main two are.

    Jesus fucking Christ.

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      10 months ago

      Or he just understands that a ceasefire wouldn’t be adhered to by Hamas (they’ve already said they would ignore it), so it’s a fucking stupid idea.