Neo-Nazism’s rise in Ukraine is due to the silent approval of Ukraine’s political and military elites who prefer to turn a blind eye because they rely on the far-right for their military potential, Ukrainian academic Marta Havryshko tells Natylie Baldwin. By Natylie Baldwin Special to Consor
i used to struggle to understand why americans refused to see that the ukrainian far right is so empowered until i came to lemmy and see the election results; now i understand that we’ve been punching left for so long that the the right seems reasonable.
Probably because the party politics of a particular country do not ever justify the military invasion of said country.
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You, Steve, are a full blown nincompoop
@freagle
Because you don’t agree! Whatever floats yer boat, grasshopper. Always good having an intelligent conversation with you!You’re a nincompoop not because I disagree with you but because 1) you thought free speech was the domain of the left and 2) you think the center right is the new left.
These are both demonstrably inaccurate statements about reality and represent a form of vibes-based politics, quite commonplace, wherein ignorance is considered to be a position from which respectable opinions can be formed. It’s poppycock. All of it. Your skull is full of mashed potatoes.
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I have no idea what your potatoes are saying to you but you don’t know anything about me. Check out my comment history and you’ll see I am not sock puppet
What is that website? Smells like Russian propaganda to me. Lemmy seems to get overrun with ot lately, unfortunately.
Is Russian propaganda in the room with you right now?
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Baldwin: Can you explain what you see as the misuse of the holocaust and WWII by the Russian government and nationalists?
… Havryshko: The memory of World War II is weaponized by different political actors for political and military purposes. For example, when Putin began his angry speech on the night of February 24, 2022, he emphasized that one of the goals of the so-called “special military operation” was the “denazification” of Ukraine.
Top Russian propagandists frequently refer to the Ukrainian government as a “Nazi regime” and call Ukrainian soldiers “Nazis.”
From the article. The author is a western academic, a historian of Holocaust studies. Read.
@ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml It’s called Journalism. If you’d bother to look, you’d realize that Pulitzer is mentioned on the website, and you wouldn’t have to ask such a profoundly silly question.
What does Pulitzer have to do with journalism? The opinion of Colombia university holds negative value.
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
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History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IVDon’t believe your eyes, Putin has paid off your eyeballs and puppeteered all western media right up until 2020
I mean. The war began in 2014 with Russia and Ukraine
The war begun when the west overthrew a democratically elected government triggering a civil war in Ukraine.
If you want to judge the validity of an article by how sleek and pretty the website looks you can go back to reddit. Plenty of MSM slop straight from the state department.
Pro Russia poster. Never a bad word said about Russia or Putin.
@thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone Just balancing out all the pro-Ukrainian propaganda. There are always 2 sides and people deserve to know ALL the facts.
Yeah ok buddy, now do Russia’s employment of neo-nazi mercenaries and the fact it is led by a right-wing dictator.
@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml
Why don’t YOU indulge us …? Another sock puppet account. WiTH are you afraid of?
Sockpuppet account lmao? I just joined today. So, you’re telling me Putin is not a right-wing dictator? I guess I should visit Moscow as a trans gay person and publicly express my disdain against right-wingers trying to exterminate us in Russia. For sure it’s not a fascistic country and I won’t get thrown in prison for it. /s
You have screws loose up there if you think Russia is not far-right.
Like, be ffr. The Nazi book burnings were the destruction of LGBT+ Sexologist Mr.Hirschfeld’s work. Putin is silencing and jailing LGBT+ people and anyone who dares to speak against this or the war. Definitely not a fascist dictarship for suuure bro.
@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml I’m not your bro.
Cry me a river about it, fash.
@KHROMATIKAL@lemmy.ml
It’s a traditional conservative society and I wouldn’t call them neoconservative, just because they don’t accept gay/trans folks. Many other people and countries don’t either. In fact, the majority of the world doesn’t. Identity politics is going to doom us in the West.
Ooooh fuck right off lmao. My country is also full of tradconservatives and they don’t hunt us,jail us or silence us for complete extermination on a both governmental and mainstream cultural level. Russian culture and laws are extremely right-wing, and keep getting worse. Stop finding excuses for your delusions. You’re defending a right-wing, state-capitalist dictator for fucking what, my dude? The sucking of boots here is insane.
They don’t in Russia, either. I’m sure isolated incidents exist, but it’s not widespread. The reason for the Russian crackdown is bc Civil Society groups in the West, including USAid were using your propaganda against the Russian government in an attempt at Regime Change. You’re being used Grasshopper for geopolitical purposes and your crowd is too ignorant to know.
“Two wrongs make a right”.
People are best served by the facts, not competing biased opinions. What they deserve is another thing altogether…
@BaconIsAVeg@lemmy.ml Well, your bias is there for all to see. Supporting NeoFascism is your thang.
Then lets see articles that show ALL the facts.
Seems like sometimes one country looks better with ALL the facts about both. But keeping one country with bad things out seems like Propaganda.
@ReakDuck@lemmy.ml
In the West, since the start of the SMO we have been deluged with Ukrainian propaganda. There is plenty around, so dig your head out of the sand! We’re the most indoctrinated society on earth!
@thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone
I’m surprised that this article doesn’t engage more with the current war. Given that Russia has been accusing Ukraine of being a ‘nazi state’ since day one, I’d be surprised if that hadn’t changed the level of support for this kind of politics. I can imagine how it could go either way: increasing because of the threat to Ukraine’s national identity, or decreasing to not prove the Russians right and to rally around Zelenskyy, who is overall a moderate. I do notice that all of the pictures in this article are from before the war. It’s also weird they don’t mention that Azov were more-or-less wiped out in the opening stages of the invasion at Mariupol.
Azov were more-or-less wiped out in the opening stages of the invasion at Mariupol.
Got a source on this?
The link you sent titles the video “Zelenskiy threatens to come for the children of Crimea”. What he says is that they’re going to retake the Crimea, and while the video starts mid-sentence he seems to be saying that children who have grown up in occupied Crimea have been exposed to Russian propaganda, which I’m sure is true. The International Criminal Court has been issuing arrest warrants for people involved in a Russian program to abduct Ukrainian children, FYI. So getting the minds of the next generation is demonstrable part of the Russian war strategy. In this clip, it seems like he’s responding to a direct question from a journalist. While I doubt Ukraine will ever retake Crimea (and tbh I think Russia has a pretty solid claim to it), I understand why he’s saying they’ll retake it, and none of this seems like strange thing for a wartime president to say. Overall this seems like a pretty clear case of disinformation promoted on an app run by a fascist.
For the Azov point, you can just read the Wikipedia article on the Battle of Mariupol, or there’s a Kyiv Post piece here. It does seem that components of Azov have reformed but they’re far from what they were.
What he says is that they’re going to retake the Crimea
Against the will of the people living there.
saying that children who have grown up in occupied Crimea have been exposed to Russian propaganda
They are Russian, they have chosen to be Russian. They are only exposed to their culture. They have no interest being part of a Nazi fascist dictatorship and neither do the other breakaway regions.
The International Criminal Court has been issuing arrest warrants for people involved in a Russian program
This is American propaganda. Russia temporarily moved orphans out of a warzone and has since moved them back. The International Colonial Court exists to prosecute the enemies of America and nothing more.
none of this seems like strange thing for a wartime president to say. Overall
If you agree that the Crimean people have a right to self determination then you not only see Zelensky as a wartime president, but an aggressor threatening an invasion too.
For the Azov point, you can just read the Wikipedia article
NATOpedia is not a serious source of information about anything political.
UA has integrated neo-Nazis into the upper levels of their military and seem to make decisions based on their ideas. They have increased funding for groups like Azov, who have been running little Hitler Youth camps for years, and have recently integrated them into a larger and more powerful Nazi force.
Thanks, I hadn’t heard of Baxi before. Do you have any links where I can read some more about any of this?
Sorry that was a typo, it was supposed to say Nazi. Here’s a UA propaganda outlet describing the reorg: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/51054
Thanks
