this is a really good thread on the subject https://xcancel.com/existentialcoms/status/1248728086834601984

Exactly, just imagine if Hezbollah conducted an operation like this in Israel.

Talking about whataboutism is just a way to paper over hypocrisy. It’s not a real argument. Then you proceeded to make it crystal clear that you are indeed a hypocrite.

What I don’t understand is why “leftists” like you feel the need to vocally support an oligarch and dictator, instead of being able to say that the war in Ukraine is a pointless waste of human lives for which Putin is directly responsible as the aggressor.

Nice straw man there buddy, cause nowhere did I vocally support anything. What you’re being told is that what Russia is doing is no different from what the west has been doing, and that the west is just as responsible for starting and continuing this conflict. Apparently that’s just too hard a concept for you to comprehend.

The most incredible part is that multiple people in this very thread tried to explain the situation to you, and you just ignore the facts and continue regurgitating the talking points you’ve memorized. The sheer anti-intellectualism on display is stunning.

No, I’m saying that recognizing the separatists regions and then accepting their request for help was the common element. It’s quite clear that Russia was not interested in destroying Ukraine as illustrated by the fact that Russia tried to make Minsk agreements for for whole eight years. I don’t know why you feel the need to continue making blatantly dishonest statements here. You’re not fooling anybody.

It’s more about nuclear capable western countries doing whatever they want since WW2.

That’s been the case since the end of WW2, were you just sleeping this whole time?

absolutely

Magnetic tape turns out to be one of the best options.

It’s amazing how people just keep regurgitating these talking points. It’s just so incredibly shallow and demonstrates a profound lack of understanding of the situation. There is no comparison with WW2 here. In fact, the best comparison to make would be Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions as being independent, and then had them invite NATO to invade and destroy Yugoslavia. That’s the actual model that Russia is using in Ukraine.

What sort of a sick person would praise this https://asiatimes.com/2019/12/75-of-young-want-to-escape-south-korean-hell/

Can you be specific about the supposed bs I’ve posted and what makes it bs. For example, feel free to criticize this article on its own term.

You don’t have to take Putin’s word for it, the head of NATO has already admitted this publicly:

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. He has got the exact opposite.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm

you think the right recourse is to invade that country and attempt to annex it into your empire?

That’s not what the war is about. https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-war

However, if you don’t trust a renowned political scientist like Mearsheimer, RAND published a whole study titled “Extending Russia” that explains in detail why the US wanted to provoke a conflict in Ukraine https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

Killing hundreds of thousands in a war of attrition?

The war could’ve been over within a month, but the west sabotaged negotiations. Pretty clear who wants this war to keep going. The war could’ve been avoided entirely if the west didn’t insist on NATO expansion and didn’t overthrow the government in Ukraine.

There is no fundamental difference. International law states that countries are sovereign and cannot be invaded by other countries. Just because a bunch of bandits, who are currently involved in a literal genocide I might add, get together to do it in no way legitimizes it. The fact that you think might makes right is legitimate in one case and not the other shows that your position is hypocritical, and can be safely ignored.

Yeah, in this case I’m guessing they’d just use coded messages when communicating. Ultimately, that’s even more effective since those are indistinguishable from regular messages unless you know the special meaning of the words used. So, they’re even less likely to attract attention.

I’m guessing they managed to insert themselves into the supply chain and installed the bombs that way. It does look like it was fairly indiscriminate though.

Right, I meant safer in terms of the device doing what you expect it to be doing. Also, pagers that support encryption are absolutely a thing.

Interestingly, given just how compromised smart phones are at this point, a pager has now become a far safer means of communication.

Ah yes, NATO is just altruistically helping the right wing regime that the west installed in Ukraine after overthrowing the legitimate democratically elected government. 🤡

proceeded to further embarrass yourself