Hello!

Sorry for the nth post on the same topic but let me explain myself:

TLDR: I have troubles understanding the guides that I’ve searched because a combination of English not being my native language and lacking the proper technical terms to look for. I don’t even know if networking work as I believe they do so I need an ELI5 on how to do things properly before messing it up BIG.

Now, to the post.

For the past 6 or 7 months I’ve been hosting some services at home. Up until now I didn’t need nor wanted to expose them out of my home network, mainly because I didn’t want to deal with the security problems associated with that. But here we are.

My question would be how can I expose my network the good way? Can I access my home network without messing with the ports in my router?

Let me elaborate on what I’m doing first to know how to continue and the things that I need to change or do.

I run my services trough Docker. Currently I have a Pihole container that runs just fine in my home network, but while researching how to expose my lab, I watched this video (in Spanish) about how to combine a container with Pihole and Wireguard to route the traffic from a device to the machine with the container.

I ended up with this docker-compose file

version: '3.7'
services:
  wireguard:
    image: linuxserver/wireguard
    container_name: wireguard
    cap_add:
      - NET_ADMIN
      - SYS_MODULE
    environment:
      - PUID=1000
      - PGID=1000
      - TZ=${TZ}
      - SERVERPORT=51820 #optional
      - PEERS=2 #optional
      - PEERDNS=auto #optional
      - INTERNAL_SUBNET=10.13.13.0 #optional
    volumes:
      - ./wireguard:/config
      - /lib/modules:/lib/modules
      - /usr/src:/usr/src
    ports:
      - 51820:51820/udp
    sysctls:
      - net.ipv4.conf.all.src_valid_mark=1
    dns:
      - 172.21.0.7
    restart: unless-stopped
    networks:
      containers:
        ipv4_address: 172.21.0.6
  pihole:
    container_name: pihole
    image: pihole/pihole:latest
    expose:
      - "53"
      - "67"
      - "80"
      - "443"
    environment:
      TZ: ${TZ}
      WEBPASSWORD: ${PW}
    volumes:
      - './etc-pihole/:/etc/pihole/'
      - './etc-dnsmasq.d/:/etc/dnsmasq.d/'
    cap_add:
      - NET_ADMIN
     #https://github.com/pi-hole/docker-pi-hole#note-on-capabilities
    restart: unless-stopped
    networks:
      containers:
        ipv4_address: 172.21.0.7

networks:
  containers:
    ipam:
      config:
        - subnet: 172.21.0.0/24

The video basically explains that, in order to bind the traffic of wireguard to Pihole, you need to create a subnet and define the ip addresses of the containers. The video also defines the subnet as 172.20.0.0/24, but I changed it to 172.21… because Mealie was using said subnet before.

So I installed the wireguard client on my android device, turned off the WiFi, turned on the VPN tunnel and tried to open youtube and sonarr, both without success. The device was sending packages but I guess that, because my router is not properly configured, it didn’t allow any traffic in.

So, before I mess it up I wanted you guys to ask what would be the best approach and also what can be done.

First thing first, let’s rid of my fantasies ans misconceptions that I feel that I have.

Can a whitelist my device IP/Mac to surpass opening any port or do I need to concede here?

My ISP has IPv6 and so does my mobile. Can I somehow use this IPv6 to whitelist myself?

Now the more serious questions

Wireguard wants the 51820 udp port open in my router, Is this right?

If I have to open the port what would be the safest way to do it? I’ve read about Cloudflare tunneling, but also I’ve read that some people do not want to associate themselves with cloudflare. Why could that be?

I’ve also read that I could use ngix maybe? I’m not sure… Also I’ve read people here using self-signed certificates to validate themselves. Maybe from let’s encrypt. How would this work?

So with all of this said, how can I continue in the safest way possible?

Thank you for reading all of this.

  • thekrautboyB
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    11 months ago

    Its no surprise that connecting from the outside with Wireguard doesnt work if you have not opened the port for it.

    That is required for Wireguard to work. Your phone needs to connect to your home IP:port for that.

    Is it safe to open a port for Wireguard? Simply put, yes. Its a widely used software so atleast you can trust that the software itself is secure and shouldnt cause you any problems. However every software needs to be configured correctly to stay secure. So you need to learn how to set up your Wireguard correctly and secure. /r/Wireguard can probably help you with that. Once that is done you can open that single port in your router for forwarding it to your Wireguard container and connect with your phone from the outside to it. You also need to tell Wireguard to actually use the Pihole for its DNS, but that is also something /r/Wireguard can tell you.

    I’ve read about Cloudflare tunneling

    Cloudflare tunneling is sort of going the other way, instead of opening a port for incoming connections for Wireguard, you have a software running inside your home network which connects to Cloudflare on the outside (=the tunnel). And then from your phone you would not connect to your home network directly, but you connect to Cloudflare, and they redirect it to your home network through that tunnel. The advantage is that you dont need to open a port for this. The big disadvantage is that you need to trust Cloudflare, and its not a exactly selfhosted solution. With something like Wireguard you are in control, you host your Wireguard node, you connect directly to that, thats all. In the end its your choice how much security you are willing to sacrifice for some ease of setup and use. If you have specific Cloudflare questions, /r/Cloudflare exists.

    So with all of this said, how can I continue in the safest way possible?

    Get Wireguard properly set up, open the Wireguard port, connect from the outside. Then make Wireguard use your Pihole. Once that is all working, pick a new goal.

    I’ve also read that I could use ngix maybe? I’m not sure… Also I’ve read people here using self-signed certificates to validate themselves. Maybe from let’s encrypt. How would this work?

    Thats a bit different to what youre trying to do with your Wireguard and Pihole. With your WG+P setup you would be able to connect from the outside into your home network and use Pihole for adblocking for example, so you have secure internet with adblocking while youre away using Wifi at Starbucks. But you can also access any services you are hosting in your home network through the Wireguard connection, if you want.

    A reverse proxy like nginx, Traefik, Caddy and many more are typically only taking care of web services. Pihole (DNS) is not one. So you cannot use your Pihole through nginx for example. But if you have a web service in your home network, for example Portainer to manage your Docker containers, you can open the reverse proxy port to the internet, and the proxy is then listening there for incoming connections. If you connect from the outside to your public IP(*) of your home network then the proxy could detect what service you are trying to reach on the inside and redirect it to your internal Portainer for example. *Note that a reverse proxy expects a hostname (on the public internet, a domain or subdomain) when accessing it. Just a IP doesnt work. So for using that you need to have a domain. But it doesnt need to be a paid domain, you can easily use a free subdomain from a service like Duckdns.org or dedyn.io for example.

    Tons of threads and tutorials exist already about these things. But now you should know a few phrases you can search for and learn more.

    I would suggest you take one step at a time, dont try to set up everything at once. If your current goal is to use your Pihole while youre away, focus on that. Get your Wireguard working. And it doesnt conflict at all once you later add nginx for example to that. In this case they serve different purposes.

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      11 months ago

      Thank you very much! I’ll read your answer a dozen times these next few days. I’ll keep going for the wireguard+pihole setup then.

      I thought that somehow I could just magically connect to my node without opening any port because… Reasons, I guess.

      Now I feel like I know what I need to do.

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      11 months ago

      Simply put, yes. Its a widely used software so atleast you can trust that the software itself is secure and shouldnt cause you any problems

      Windows is also widely used software an has vulnerabilites all the time. Because a software is used widely doesn’t mean it’s safe and secure.

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        11 months ago

        Oh is Windows open-source now? Because Wireguard is and thats what i was talking about.