Wait this is just my current job but with double the pay…
fuck I gotta get a new job
Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You’re getting shafted.
With that being said, this isn’t really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you’ve worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.
Shhh don’t let hr know, or your manager
same here, ouch
Sammmmmme
Same
Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn’t, I would not want to work at that IT team
It manager level for entry level pay
Have you seen pay these days? Where are you getting 110k entry level?
If it’s an onsite position, it depends on living costs.
Some people are claiming 3k for rent is the minimum in the area. Just north of Beverly Hills.
That’s half the salary, just for a studio apartment. Then there’s another chunk for taxes and they’re left with 1-2k for general expenses and living life.
Salaries isn’t a simple thing you can move from one area to another
That’s when you live in a van down by the river instead
I guess where I work, if you’re on carpet you’re 80-110k salary for jobs like purchasing, inventory etc not engineers or supoort. if you work in shipping or manufacturing you’re around 65-85k depending on experience
Must be nice
California has a minimum wage for software employees to be salaried and not pay them overtime (salaried exempt). It’s about $123k. I’ve never seen an entry level position that didn’t expect overtime, so $110k is actually low unless it’s a part time internship.
Also leaving that link there for anyone who might have just discovered their employer is doing wage theft and owes them a lot of money.
Ok anywhere with a cost of living that isn’t California
The pay scale people have become accustomed to is absurd.
I’ve worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had “manager” titles, but they were just “the IT people” in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.
Our lone HR person was also the “HR manager”, we had a single “accounting manager”, and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the “managers” did end up with direct reports, but that’s kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.
110k usd is entry level pay? I hate america so much its unreal.
“Manager” in this context generally doesn’t mean someone who has people reporting to them, it means someone who manages the IT. It can absolutely be an early-career role. See also: equipment manager, facilities manager etc.
There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything
Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so
Honestly for 30 people it’s understandable, hiring properly would be like 10% of the company already lol
When you consider that IT is used by everyone and often the entire company is built on IT and communication i would hire properly
Depends if the company is growing or just a small company
You’re not crazy, it’s just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn’t want to do.
also potentially unpopular opinion: I’ve encountered about as many engineers over the years that were under-skilled for their positions, than ones who were competent. Whenever I see posters whine about how unreasonable the requirements for a job posting is, I always instinctively read it in one of the former’s voices…
PTO listed as a benefit? Must be the USA 😁
Eh I had a job like this. Was for a small company. If that was a large corp id say fuck no but if small company? Its fine.
Exactly. Company makes doors, by hand. 10 employees total and 2 computers. Easiest job you’ve ever had and you actually feel guilty every time they pay you for the first few months.
anything to do with printers better be 200k or higher
The funny thing about jobs is that demand for the job tends to scale with pay. Of all the IT positions in an office, the guy fixing the printers is probably earning the least.
My job in data analytics occasionally involves pulling printing volume data. Does that count as “anything to do with printers”?
Because fuck trying to aggregate by printer location when the location string is manually entered by humans with different “standards” and varying adherence even to their stated standard.
that sounds like a nightmare! yes that counts
P1: Printer not working again!
P2: Ah I’ll go tell that programmer guy
That company, probably
“You’re good with computers, right?”
I swear these people probably ask their Uber drivers to fix their transmission because they’re “good with cars”.
Typical of a 20-30 people company where everyone has to do different things.
Our client is a large Law Firm in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks Area) that is looking to hire a talented IT Manager. They have an excellent culture and do a great job at retaining their staff long-term. This person MUST live in LA and be willing to be on site!!
Though it’s not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people
Sounds like their IT team is going to be this one person
Yes, that’s pretty normal outside of IT companies and gigantic non-IT companies.
Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we’re just all “IT” and we do everything to keep shit running
This is basically my current job. Almost the same pay (120k) in the Seattle area.
I work 50-70 hours a week
You’re worth $200k in that HCOL area.
Meanwhile CEO makes 3mil a year while planning to
sellmerge the company with another one and get the golden parachute.CEO gets the golden parachute, employees get the golden shower.
I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it’d be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn’t last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.
Sounds like my job at a small full-house IT company. We did anything IT related the customer wanted. We got paid $1.2k by a rich guy to fix his son’s Roblox account once.
Would be an OK salary for most of Europe. Most countries here have relatively solid health care insurance, affordable education and a pension fund included, so that some of the biggest costs of living in the US don’t even make a dent in the salary.
I’m in Sweden, this would be an amazing salary. I make maybe 40% of that, and I’m pretty well paid.
But you have a functional social safety net, insurance and retirement covered with your taxes. We don’t and is horribly expensive to fork $24K a year to have access to health with a $7K deductible while thinking that if you get fired the equivalent of UB pay is $226/wk after you present substantiation to the state that you’re trying to get work. On top of that insurance is tied to employment and that heavily influences work mobility and care as if anyone gets anything catastrophic loses the job, the insurance and all your savings.
But you have a functional social safety net
I grew up in poverty, I know what this social safety net looked like 20 years ago. It’s been hollowed out by a decade of alt-right governance since. They’ve pushed the non-white welfare king/queen narrative hard.
Living on subsistence minimum isn’t really a comfortable life. You have to constantly apply for it and get scrutinised, and sometimes you get automatically denied because the government has applied a quota that försäkringskassan has to fill; it’s luck of the draw.
It’s certainly not something I’d ever view as a nice stress-free fallback to recover from, it’s a full-time job in and of itself, and that’s not counting the critique you have to put up with from society for using the system as it is intended.
insurance and retirement covered with your taxes.
Ish. Current retirees are covered by current taxpayers. My retirement will be covered by future taxpayers. This has lead to the retirement age being bumped up a couple of times the past few years, because there’s not enough taxes coming in to cover retirement. I don’t expect to ever actually retire.
The average pension income currently is 16400 crowns a month before taxes. My rent is 8.4k and it goes up with several hundred a year. Pensions generally remain fairly static.
By insurance I guess you mean healthcare. This is largely true, we have a high-cost protection, and that includes visits so if you buy enough meds or visit the doctors enough each year, the high cost protection kicks in, it’s currently at approximately 3000 crowns.
My a-kassa isn’t free, nor is it tax funded. I personally pay for that on a monthly basis. It’s also tied to you looking for work.
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Things get bad here, too.
Great perspective, thank you for sharing that effectively not everything is perfect or works as intended.
I see your struggle and hope we all can make it right for us, our kids and their kids, thank you for fighting the good fight.
Yeah. I mean I’m grateful I struggle with things here, because I’ve seen what it can look like in the U.S. - visited a dear friend in 2019, and despite having two people work four jobs they still couldn’t really make ends meet. It’s heartwrenching.
Struggle is always struggle. I hope things improve for all of us.
Same!
Found the listing for anyone curious about the company. It’s a recruitment company recruiting for a law firm.
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/information-technology-manager-at-bookman-consulting-4453231245
I’m going to start a recruiting company to find this recruiting company a better job listing.
Surely a law firm can afford to pay each position properly
I’ve worked for some, and I don’t think they get big money unless they are a big company.
Probably. Also wonder if they’re paying the employee directly or if the recruitment company is leeching a bunch off the top
I’ve worked there, for not nearly that amount of money :(
