Oh, yes, I’m very amoral, but I don’t think for this reason… I’m merely using a tool. You may disagree with how the tool was created. You may disagree with who owns the tool that I am renting. But that is sort of both the long and the short of it.
There’s a big argument we had over the open source inputs and license laundering (that is strictly about output similarity)… Image generation has a much stronger case, but even there the poster’s copyright is often weakened by the terms of service of various platforms that were scraped, in which cases the issue more becomes that they didn’t work out a deal with the websites before accessing the material, not that they didn’t pay the artists. The world is just a little bit fucked up. But regardless, that’s legal, not moral.
You could argue that me buying a Nestle chocolate bar is condoning and enabling murder, and I think to some degree, in a cosmic sense, you’d actually be right. But at that same degrees-of-separation, almost everything does, because the world is, as I said, pretty fucked up. And yes, this is a calculus I do because I’m weird.
My use of AI does not harm anyone. My subscription is to a company owned by assholes who are trying to destroy democracy and murder people. As most of my payments actually are, except to the few local businesses I frequent… But even they just buy their supplies off Amazon or bulk warehouses that are also owned by equally fucked up individuals. Somewhere down the chain, me buying a coffee is murdering someone. That’s just how the world works. I hate it, but I’m not oblivious to it. And so, yeah, I try to minimize my damage wherever possible, but ultimately, I am going to use AI because it will make my life better. I’m going to drink the coffee because it makes my life better. I am going to buy the cheap items that are probably made in a very unethical way because, so long as the quality is sufficient, my budget is tight and I have dependents.
Listen, I hate it, but I just live here. If I could snap my fingers and make AI ethical, I would. Admittedly, there are probably like a few billion other things I would probably prioritize a little bit more than the feelings of someone who posted their source code on GitHub without a permissive license, but yeah, theoretically it’s on the list somewhere.
Capitalist AI TM is being used to increase the suck and suffering of the world in wonderful new ways. It’s destroying democracies, it’s increasing surveillance. denying insurance claims. Destroying public trust. Obscuring accountability. Being used as an economic weapon and justification for building extremely cheap shitty annoying and irresponsible datacenters everywhere. I hate AI for a lot of reasons. The morality of copyright is not really high on the list there either.
It’s very nice that people like you are coming to terms with the terribleness that is paying for AI, but please understand that this is a debate I’ve had with myself since I was about twelve about almost literally everything. If you want to say I’m immoral or apathetic, you probably have a good argument, but ultimately I’m just at a loss and pissed off and trying to both maximize the quality of my life and the people I care about while, secondarily, minimizing the harm my existence inflicts on the world. The me, AI falls on one side of the line, while to you maybe it falls on another. but it is what it is.
That’s an “I only care that it’s good for me” justification, THE Sociopath’s justification.
That doesn’t actualy counter the point others were making - which was a moral point - it just indicates that you yourself are amoral.
Oh, yes, I’m very amoral, but I don’t think for this reason… I’m merely using a tool. You may disagree with how the tool was created. You may disagree with who owns the tool that I am renting. But that is sort of both the long and the short of it.
There’s a big argument we had over the open source inputs and license laundering (that is strictly about output similarity)… Image generation has a much stronger case, but even there the poster’s copyright is often weakened by the terms of service of various platforms that were scraped, in which cases the issue more becomes that they didn’t work out a deal with the websites before accessing the material, not that they didn’t pay the artists. The world is just a little bit fucked up. But regardless, that’s legal, not moral.
You could argue that me buying a Nestle chocolate bar is condoning and enabling murder, and I think to some degree, in a cosmic sense, you’d actually be right. But at that same degrees-of-separation, almost everything does, because the world is, as I said, pretty fucked up. And yes, this is a calculus I do because I’m weird.
My use of AI does not harm anyone. My subscription is to a company owned by assholes who are trying to destroy democracy and murder people. As most of my payments actually are, except to the few local businesses I frequent… But even they just buy their supplies off Amazon or bulk warehouses that are also owned by equally fucked up individuals. Somewhere down the chain, me buying a coffee is murdering someone. That’s just how the world works. I hate it, but I’m not oblivious to it. And so, yeah, I try to minimize my damage wherever possible, but ultimately, I am going to use AI because it will make my life better. I’m going to drink the coffee because it makes my life better. I am going to buy the cheap items that are probably made in a very unethical way because, so long as the quality is sufficient, my budget is tight and I have dependents.
Listen, I hate it, but I just live here. If I could snap my fingers and make AI ethical, I would. Admittedly, there are probably like a few billion other things I would probably prioritize a little bit more than the feelings of someone who posted their source code on GitHub without a permissive license, but yeah, theoretically it’s on the list somewhere.
Capitalist AI TM is being used to increase the suck and suffering of the world in wonderful new ways. It’s destroying democracies, it’s increasing surveillance. denying insurance claims. Destroying public trust. Obscuring accountability. Being used as an economic weapon and justification for building extremely cheap shitty annoying and irresponsible datacenters everywhere. I hate AI for a lot of reasons. The morality of copyright is not really high on the list there either.
It’s very nice that people like you are coming to terms with the terribleness that is paying for AI, but please understand that this is a debate I’ve had with myself since I was about twelve about almost literally everything. If you want to say I’m immoral or apathetic, you probably have a good argument, but ultimately I’m just at a loss and pissed off and trying to both maximize the quality of my life and the people I care about while, secondarily, minimizing the harm my existence inflicts on the world. The me, AI falls on one side of the line, while to you maybe it falls on another. but it is what it is.