The biggest thing I can think of is that X11 is more flexible when it comes to specifying custom resolutions; which some people use to output 240p on CRT TVs for emulation. AFAIK, there is currently no real equivalent for xrandr on any Wayland compositor.

I’ve also noticed that Grsync’s password prompt is broken on Wayland. Thankfully, it has a feature that lets you preview the command it’s about to run, so that you can copy and paste it into a terminal.

Being a KDE user on EndeavourOS, I use Wayland everyday. I switched over a few years ago for Waydroid, but now X11 isn’t even an option for me with the current release of KDE.

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    It would be nice if end users had more choice in the matter. It’d be cool if someone made a Wayland compositor that allowed some of these features as an opt-in thing.

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      Users do have choice, X11 still exists, there’s lots of distros to choose from, but Wayland is the culmination of 40 years of learnings from the X11 project.

      Linux hosts with desktop managers/window managers were loved by security testers and threat actors for how darn easy it was to get spyware running - logging all keystrokes, recording the whole screen, etc. X11 gave all apps the keys to the kingdom regardless of security policy.

      Wayland is vastly more secure. Sure, there’s work to be done to build out a few edge cases - they’re known and have been in discussion for years at this point - it just takes time.

      X11 had 40 years, Wayland had only had 18. With most mainstream distros switching display server, we should have the remaining sticking points ironed out in the next couple of years.

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        Users do have choice, X11 still exists

        Not if you want to use KDE on Arch or derivatives.

        It is nice that Wayland is more secure, and that’s one of the reasons I started using it before my DE started mandating it. But, it’d be nice if I could keep most of that security, while having the option to enable certain things that are disabled for security by default where I need them.

        Going back to X11 and its total lack of security isn’t an ideal option, and I can’t even use my preferred DE with it on my preferred distro.

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          Not if you want to use KDE on Arch or derivatives.

          SonicDE is in the AUR. If people who want continued X11 support for KDE, it looks like this is the project to support (and vote on in the AUR to promote it to the main packages repos).

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      wayland dwms can and do absolutely implement that. For example kwin has a setting to let programs access keyboard input in the X11 way for the old method of global shortcuts. And to disable the framebuffer for fullscreen games.

      If you wanted, you could probably write a wayland compositor that has all the X11 apis that old management tools use. Wayland is just an api at the end of the day.