I’m considering a Framework 13 for my second, travel laptop (it’ll be my first non-Thinkpad laptop since the 1990s) but still have some nagging doubts and am curious if others have grappled with any of them. I generally keep laptops for 2-3 years before selling my old one and buying a new one so none of my laptops have ever ended up in landfill by my hand, at least.
First doubt is about the whole Framework business model thing, not least because the company is private and thus a bit of a mystery in terms of financing, burn rate, longevity etc. Basically, if I buy a Framework laptop now, will the company still be around in 2-3 years when I’d consider a CPU update and still supporting current models?
Second is whether I want to buy a laptop that’s such a basic clamshell design when all other manufacturers are constantly bringing some interesting new design options to the table. Sure, it’s fine now, but in 2-3 years will I want a 2-in-1 or a smaller footprint or different screen ratio etc.? Looking back at my Thinkpad purchases, I did stick with 14" T-series for quite a while (T20 onwards), but those evolved in terms of size/shape, and since I shook my T-series addiction I’ve tried all sorts of different sizes and shapes (currently typing this on a P1 Gen 4).
And finally there’s the price, which TBH is on the high side even with me bringing my own RAM, using an older Gen3 SSD I have, using a 60W charger I already have etc. Even the new Main Boards/CPUs are pretty darn expensive if you want anything higher end. This is especially pertinent with BF coming up when all the major manufacturers will no doubt be offering big discounts on current models (some already are).
It seems to be the USP of Framework is the lower e-waste thing because otherwise it’s just another mid-range 13" laptop in a crowded field. TBH I’d be more impressed if Framework offered to take back replaced components for recycling, otherwise upgrading stuff just generates its own potential e-waste, albeit much less than binning a whole laptop.
Ultimately I’ll probably buy a Framework 13 – curiosity about new toys and memories of rummaging around in the internals of Thinkpads of Yore are just too strong to overcome! But I’m still curious about other folks’ motivations.
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First doubt is… will the company still be around in 2-3 years when I’d consider a CPU update and still supporting current models?
no one knows for sure, but worst case you ditch it and buy a new laptop, just like literally any other brand.
Second is whether I want to buy a laptop that’s such a basic clamshell design… in 2-3 years will I want a 2-in-1 or a smaller footprint or different screen ratio etc.?
for me personally, tall screen + clamshell is ideal, I’ve never wanted anything else. but ultimately, same as point 1, if you decide you want something else you can just get a different laptop, same as any other laptop.
so for both 1 and 2, your absolute worst case is the same as every other laptop on the market which doesn’t seem like an issue to me
Somewhat disillusioned with the quality (or lack thereof) with some of the ThinkPads we’ve had recently. I’ll freely admit fence-sitting for the last couple of years, and I hat-tip those who bought products from this embryonic company as I wasn’t sure if they’d be a flash-in-the-pan or not. They’re still here a few years later.
Well, the AMD processor option seemed to be a nice performance / endurance balance and whilst I could’ve just plumped for a T14, the FW13 seemed like a nice option now.
I’ve always played “extend the lifespan” with my tech and hence my previously-favoured X270 got upgraded batteries, more storage, WiFi 6, LTE upgrades, more memory and so on. With the Framework, having a platform that actively encourages you to fiddle with it was appealing rather than one that merely allows it (and even then can cause issues at times).
So far, it has exceeded my expectations on every level. I daily drive it in place of a couple of different ThinkPads and I can happily say I don’t miss them at all for any reason other than nostalgia. The X270 has just had its external battery pulled and the internal one set to disconnect and shoved on a shelf. I honestly never thought that would happen, but here we are.
Framework don’t have the economies of scale that Lenovo do, hence they’re more expensive than a similar-spec Lenovo. Is it worth it? For my use case, and assuming they stick around for the foreseeable? Sure :-)
Eh, I don’t really need to see the financials or “burn rate” of a company manufacturing laptops to make a purchasing decision. Frankly, $1000-$1500 laptops are a commodity item these days.
new ARM processors will start a new trend(equivalent to Apple M2 cip performance per wat)from next year…maybe it is wise to hold your horses for a while
if you have a laptop that’s perfectly usable, don’t buy it.
if you don’t, buy it, because it’ll likely be the last laptop you ever own.I would never buy “a second laptop”, that’d be unnecessary and wasteful. I have the one laptop I use for everything and take everywhere, plus the previous laptop as a backup. Right now this is an XPS 15 9560. Even though is in perfect nick the CPU (i7-7700HQ) just isn’t strong enough to do the work I’m doing these days, therefore I’ve preordered a F16 and once I have it my XPS will be “the old laptop”, my backup. The “old old” laptop gets donated to whoever needs one.
I wanted a cheap gaming laptop that I can upgrade and play older games on