• Jeena@jemmy.jeena.net
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    9 months ago

    Then why are we shaming Apple and not the iOS users? I think Apple is totally reasonable here.

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      9 months ago

      Apple’s biggest crimes here are creating a proprietary platform with an exclusive protocol and making it the default messaging protocol on their devices. None of this is really new, though. All that shit is common. We need Signal or Matrix to improve in user-friendliness and even do some marketing to the point where they become viable solutions.

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          9 months ago

          in other words: the default messaging protocol is imessage, unless that’s impossible, in which case it falls back to sms.

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        9 months ago

        More marketing would be nice

        As for features, an easy remote backup solution (similar to be bettet than WhatsApp) is the big one for me. Especially on iOS

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          9 months ago

          Android has an easy remote backup system built in. You can save a file to any location, including cloud locations, as long as the cloud service provider plugs into the API. Signal actively disables this feature because they would rather spite users than risk even the shadow of a chance that a user upload an encrytped backup to an internet service that could theoretically then be hacked and hypothetically maybe one day decrypted.

          Matrix doesn’t have this issue, it just stores encrypted messages on servers.

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        9 months ago

        I’m not sure about Signal being the one, then we just give the power from one company (Apple) to another (Signal). If we want to improve then we should push open protocols where people can host their own infrastructure.

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          9 months ago

          Ideally, I agree. In practice, until federation / decentralization is completely transparent to the end user (unless they choose otherwise), it’ll never be adopted at a large scale. IMO that’s one of the main obstacles of Lemmy, Mastodon, and others.

          Signal is only relatively popular among the privacy-respecting options because setting it up is as easy as setting up WhatsApp. Just by adding a “choose your instance” step, you can cut your user base by an order of magnitude. And that’s not mentioning the quality of service, which is much more achievable on a centralized platform, whether that’s in terms of feature parity, uptime, bug fixes, or cross-platform support.

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      9 months ago

      Message works, it’s seamless and does a good job. Sure I’ll change to something else if I need to send images or group chat with Android uses, but in the UK that generally means WhatsApp, which I am definitely not keen on.

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      9 months ago

      There is absolutely nothing reasonable with using an inferior and outdated standard compared to what literally everybody else uses.