• Throwaway@lemm.eeM
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    10 months ago

    To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.

    Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams. NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.

    And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.

    Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.

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      10 months ago

      To go with your analogy, I’d add that each bag is a different size. Rhode Island can’t take as many immigrants as California for instance. A tiny border town can’t take as much NYC as another example.

      Right now the Texas bag is stuffed and bulging and tearing at the seams

      Agreed.

      NYC is practically empty comparatively, yet they’re still having problems with a few thousand marbles.

      I wouldn’t go that far. While they may technically have more room, the amount of fighting for that room is far higher NYC than anywhere else. And the cost for land/residences in NYC is far higher than anywhere else.

      If it cost $40,000 per marble to put then in bag A, and the rest of the bags cost $23,000, it makes far more sense to place them in the rest of the bags.

      The median rent in NYC is ~$3,375 vs U.S. median of ~$1,967. And that’s before accounting for the fact that due to size restrictions NYC residences cannot individually house as many people.

      And it’s not like it’s the sort of thing where 1000 marbles is fine and 1001 will destroy everything, Everything simply gets worse and worse and it doesn’t end with a bang, just a whimper.

      Agreed. But it’s just a metaphor.

      Finally, it’s a fire hose of marbles, a ridiculous amount of marbles. From 400,000 marbles in 2020 to over 2 million in 2022. That’s almost an entire percent of the population, in just one year, and it’s not like they leave, they stay forever. Year after year, just compounding the issue and always getting worse.

      The baby boomers added roughly 4.4 million a year, double that of immigrants.

      And then pretty much double it again on the basis of proportion, because the U.S. was far smaller in population then.

      The baby boomers had to grow up before they could provide themselves, needing roughly 15 years before they could begin to provide for themselves. Immigrants on the other hand are typically adults, or families with parents already providing for their children.

      If we could handle an explosion of population of baby boomers, we can handle the comparatively much smaller, much more able bodied and self providing immigrants.

      And the already manageable numbers will die down again soon provided we stop raping central and latin america. The U.S. played a huge part in causing this issue. It’s only fair that we play part in handling the fallout.

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        10 months ago

        The real difference is illegals dont really pull their own weight economically. They create a underclass. Theyre being exploited. They are worse off, Americans are worse off, everyone is worse off except stockholders.

        And how are we still “raping central and latin america”?

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          10 months ago

          That is a tough one. It depends on how the illegal is paid. If taxes are taken out, they don’t get those back. So they are actually contributing more but it means they are still being abused. They are an underclass. I used to pay to have my house cleaned. It was cheap. It was legal labor but they were cheap because illegal immigration pushed their wages down. There is zero positive to illegal immigration.

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      10 months ago

      I’m not against immigration in general but for the environment we only have so much space. There is a certain point where we just can’t have more people. We don’t need more people. We need less people. That’ll solve many of our problems.