Tech companies are famous for coddling their workers but after mass layoffs the industry's culture has shifted. Engineers say that getting hired can require days of work on unpaid assignments.
I do a lot of dev interviews. We do require a BS in computer science… it’s just a good way of filtering out the hordes of terrible candidates. Beyond that, the most important thing we look for is honest representations on the resume, and the ability to clearly show competency in the required areas. Ramblers, people who make shit up and can’t say “I don’t know” are filtered out quick. We do a 1hr tech screen, after which I make a recommendation and if good, the candidate is brought in for a second interview that is pretty much a formality.
That’s wild that people are still pushing the paper ceiling like this. I’ve been working in my industry for 11+ years, progressing from engineer to tech lead to architect, with several (very) large-scale, public projects successfully under my belt.
I don’t have any degree.
Requiring a comp sci degree is a terrific way to filter out people who had to actually learn their shit and prove their worth, instead of relying on a name on a piece of paper to get them a job interview.
I’m facing this as well across the board, not just where a CS degree is expected. I started off in CS, then a year in discovered I liked working at my school paper enough to drop out after hitting managing ed and having no one left to learn from because the J-school had been gutted in the '80s … in 2000.
So, no degree. Which now means no job. Not even interviews. I never had any pure development titles that AI would pick up on, so the coding I’ve done also doesn’t count. Your basic bottom-of-the-barrel “and then we were able to lay off half the team” automation that then got me pushed out for providing a useful but unrequested solution that made me a threat.
I determine my needs and then choose my tools, so sure, I’ll get back up to speed in Python for a visualization project, but I’m not going to spend a couple of weeks trying to retain things with zero goal.
It’s not a litmus test, it’s just a basic filter. You don’t understand the time wasted (for both parties) when recruiters present “self starters” and “driven” and “passionate” candidates. It’s not our goal to give people a chance, it’s our goal to find a great fit for the position.
Let me rephrase, to make myself crystal clear, because you didn’t get the tactful approach: that’s a shitty filter. By excluding people without a degree, you’re saying that ability to afford university for 4 years is more important than skill, experience, or knowledge.
It shows that you’re ignorant. It shows that your company has a toxic workplace.
It’s probably one of the dumbest flexes I’ve ever seen.
No, you’re right. Being fun at a party of techbros is totally a sign of superiority and not at all a sign of sociopathy 🤮
Tbf you’re probably not a terrible person, but that is a bad take. Rejecting someone based entirely on education, and not allowing for other factors (as is implied), is just bad for both your company and society.
I do a lot of dev interviews. We do require a BS in computer science… it’s just a good way of filtering out the hordes of terrible candidates. Beyond that, the most important thing we look for is honest representations on the resume, and the ability to clearly show competency in the required areas. Ramblers, people who make shit up and can’t say “I don’t know” are filtered out quick. We do a 1hr tech screen, after which I make a recommendation and if good, the candidate is brought in for a second interview that is pretty much a formality.
That’s wild that people are still pushing the paper ceiling like this. I’ve been working in my industry for 11+ years, progressing from engineer to tech lead to architect, with several (very) large-scale, public projects successfully under my belt.
I don’t have any degree.
Requiring a comp sci degree is a terrific way to filter out people who had to actually learn their shit and prove their worth, instead of relying on a name on a piece of paper to get them a job interview.
I’m facing this as well across the board, not just where a CS degree is expected. I started off in CS, then a year in discovered I liked working at my school paper enough to drop out after hitting managing ed and having no one left to learn from because the J-school had been gutted in the '80s … in 2000.
So, no degree. Which now means no job. Not even interviews. I never had any pure development titles that AI would pick up on, so the coding I’ve done also doesn’t count. Your basic bottom-of-the-barrel “and then we were able to lay off half the team” automation that then got me pushed out for providing a useful but unrequested solution that made me a threat.
I determine my needs and then choose my tools, so sure, I’ll get back up to speed in Python for a visualization project, but I’m not going to spend a couple of weeks trying to retain things with zero goal.
Elitist nonsense.
I have a bachelor’s of computer science, but some of the best coders I met just did a 2 year community college diploma.
I don’t think that spending lots of money on education is really a great litmus test, it’s just one minor indicator.
It’s not a litmus test, it’s just a basic filter. You don’t understand the time wasted (for both parties) when recruiters present “self starters” and “driven” and “passionate” candidates. It’s not our goal to give people a chance, it’s our goal to find a great fit for the position.
Let me rephrase, to make myself crystal clear, because you didn’t get the tactful approach: that’s a shitty filter. By excluding people without a degree, you’re saying that ability to afford university for 4 years is more important than skill, experience, or knowledge.
It shows that you’re ignorant. It shows that your company has a toxic workplace.
It’s probably one of the dumbest flexes I’ve ever seen.
Wow I bet you’re fun at parties
No, you’re right. Being fun at a party of techbros is totally a sign of superiority and not at all a sign of sociopathy 🤮
Tbf you’re probably not a terrible person, but that is a bad take. Rejecting someone based entirely on education, and not allowing for other factors (as is implied), is just bad for both your company and society.
Lol you talk as if I give a fuck
You talk like a bootlicker. At least I have a modicum of self-awareness.