Quelle surprise. Societal dictates are pushing them to the right.

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      It isn’t, and it is. As said: A matter of perspective. What it definitely is part of is the theory of praxis.

      Queer theory itself certainly doesn’t vibe with the essentialism inherent in stuff like “kill all men”. But that doesn’t mean that the two don’t get associated in a 12yold’s brain if “kill all men” is what he hears from a blue-haired lesbian. I’m talking in caricatures, of course, just vaguely gesturing at broader political/social interactions.

      And, also, granted, in a different socio-economic environment that blue-haired lesbian probably wouldn’t matter, at all (might even have been a political lesbian appropriating queerness). But our 12yold is also seeing his parents getting fired from their jobs, denied housing assistance, is getting made fun of for it in school, is simultaneously worrying about how to, one time, get a girl and found a family and the situation looks dire indeed – not a siltation which would be conducive of taking a level-headed look at the situation and conclude “that women was just angry, it doesn’t mean anything”. Instead, it’s a convenient point to project generalised ire at, a scapegoat silencing that overpowering help- and hopelessness.

      So, in short: “Why do they hate us”? Probably, almost certainly, not for any good reason. That doesn’t mean that nothing can be done to make em love you, in fact it wouldn’t be hard at all because they’re love-starved and looking for at least a hope of a better future. Take them along for the ride and you’ll have an ally for life. Antagonise them, don’t step in when others pointlessly antagonise them, and you shot yourself in the knee.

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        Lmfao ramblings of a doofus

        You’re not talking in caricatures or vaguely gesturing broadly. You’re creating a strawman.

        None of that is real and then the question becomes two for, why the hell are you calling it queer theory or gay agenda or gender ideology. Because you’re fucked by propaganda.

        Second part, how do you say all this and not question the current “sTrAiGhT tHeOrY” existence we live

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          why the hell are you calling it queer theory

          I’m calling it queer theory because that’s what it’s called. It’s where terms like “heteronormative” come from. Much of it is about the relationship between social norms, or just what’s common, and non-normative individuals, with a particular focus on sexual and gender minorities. And it, indeed, does not look too kindly on gender essentialism because that would mean erasure of non-binary gender experiences. Also because queer theorists don’t like normativity which essentialism boils down to in practice, in one way or the other.

          I am, broadly speaking, a huge fan of it. If I were to critique it… well, it isn’t neuroqueer theory. I like the name though, “queer” should IMHO also apply to neurodivergent people. Can we get a letter? N is free, isn’t it?

          “gay agenda”, “gender ideology” are terms you randomly introduced into the conversation.

          Second part, how do you say all this and not question the current “sTrAiGhT tHeOrY” existence we live

          You mean… heteronormativity? The kind of shit that queer theory analyses? Also there’s plenty of queer straights around. Like, aces exist, trans folks exist. Enbies can also be straight.

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            Kid reads Tumblr and has Internet access, thinks he knows anything. You’re on the Internet too much and it is showing, you do not engage in any sort of academic setting

            You literally speak of these characters as if they’re real people and that’s how they really act. Spewing words like queer theory and gender ideology. People are fuckin hilarious