• Retropunk64@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    They ARE sabotaging the system that we as a society built though. Nothing is collapsing, they’re just knocking it down on our heads. Who said they were dumb, you?

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      14 hours ago

      Let’s just pretend the US haute bourgeoisie are intentionally burning down the economic system that made and continues to make them rich, fully aware of what they’re doing it.

      At whose behest? For what reason? Listen to yourself.

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        5 hours ago

        Control. They already have more money than god, the system has already served it’s purpose. But the safeguards that keep you and me safe also keeps them in line (mostly). Knock those safeguards down, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with impunity. The wealth disparity will only get worse, they will control everything, and we will be literal slaves to their whims.

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      we as a society didn’t build capitalism from the ground up, and capitalism was always supposed to have a boot constantly on our throats. theres nothing being “knocked down”, capitalism isnt going anywhere. there was never democracy in capitalism in the first place.

      they are just taking away the comforts they themselves conceded to us before.

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        24 hours ago

        The American capitalist society we built is more than that. That is what is being knocked down.

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          what you are probably referring to is not capitalism, they would never destroy the source of their own power. its the new deal-era soviet-inspired social security net. capitalism is what remains after they are done.

          and you only got that because people were getting angry at the capitalists and were organized enough to have actual leverage. they are destroying the island of socialist policies you had.

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            23 hours ago

            Its not a part of raw capitalism, but capitalism doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and it absolutey is a part of the capitalist system that America has built.

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              23 hours ago

              theres no such thing as “raw capitalism”. the political economic system is either capitalist or not.

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                19 hours ago

                Capitalism can exist with or without safeguards to protect the least powerful among us from the most powerful among us. American capitalism has safefguards. The most powerful among us are knocking down said safeguards to take advantage of the least powerful among us. They are killing American capitalism to replace it with their more dangerous version of capitalism. I.e. american capitalism isn’t dying, its being murdered.

                I’m just repeating myself now. I’m moving on from this. You have a nice day.

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                  12 hours ago

                  I’m just repeating myself now. I’m moving on from this. You have a nice day.

                  Have you ever considered actually engaging with people?

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                  16 hours ago

                  American capitalism has safefguards.

                  clearly not. if a fascist can just come and take them off, they werent safeguards in the first place.

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                    6 hours ago

                    That’s not how that works tho. Safeguards can fail, they’re not foolproof. That’s like saying this railing on a balcony isn’t a safeguard to protect people from falling because that guy just came at it and knocked it down with a sledgehammer.