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Cake day: October 19th, 2023

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  • Next Friday 12/8 is 3 weeks. He gets seen then I guess, so if he plays in it it would be the next day for the final. Or he plays on 12th or 15th. Somewhere between 10 and 17 days.

    If it’s longer than that, I think you have to start wondering if he is going to be of use to the team this year. Basically a devastating scenario where everyone will gaslight and make it seem fine.




  • If Grayson gets setup well, like 30M year 1 then 24 then 18 then 12 or something, lebron can get 30M to come here and not take a massive haircut.

    If this was on the table, Grayson is gone yesterday, we all know this. The question is how it could be put on the table.

    Suns may get their frp frozen from it, but oh well, you did it for the ultimate superteam. Hell, it could prolong brons career given book and beal are young enough. Furthermore bronny probably gets playtime since we will need bodies.

    And before anyone says this is crazy, HAVE YOU BEEN AROUND FOR THE LAST YEAR? This is absolutely a believable scenario given what’s happened.

    Another option - suns get bronny and hold him hostage to Lakers. Lakers gotta get bronny or risk losing bron, so we do them a solid and send bronny for low low price of Vanderbilt. Not as good but solves the Pf position.


  • daydreaming about this summer. considering possibility of a grayson allen for lebron sign and trade. would only happen if bronny gets drafted by suns with their frp. s&t would allow bron to get decently paid. he’s slated for 51M next year but has opt out. if its clear that lakers aren’t getting it done, and bronny is in phx, and suns could manufacture a payday by giving grayson an artificially higher year 1 salary… you then have the greatest collection of talent in 1 team in history.







  • one more note - you’ve heard this years suns are a top 5 offense. that’s nice, and says a lot about what they’ve done while really shorthanded.

    what you haven’t heard - this years suns offense is the #6 offense ALL-TIME as of now, even while short-handed- https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-offensive-rating-by-a-team-in-nba-history-in-a-single-season

    really makes me scratch my head that this is how record breaking every year is right now in the NBA. that doesn’t strike me as a good thing, but it also seems to me that the league isn’t changing rules every year to make it easier, its just that the players are getting better and better at working within the rules provided.

    look here, and you see an ortg somewhere between 105-108 for most years, until about 5 years ago, when things started to inflate- https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html

    look at the numbers and you see the entire league shoots better from 3 and ft than basically ever before. that combined with faster pace and more restrictive defense rules, and you have record breaking everything.

    also volume. when jordan won his first title, the avg team took 7 3’s a game LOL. when lebron played his rookie year, 14.7 3’s. now, over 35. it’s a stunning level of change, it might as well be called a different name compared to what was played 30 years ago.


  • worth naming - among the suns volume shooters for the 3, here’s the percentages of the 6 guys who take over 3 a game - 40.4, 43.5, 47.5, 52.2, 38.3. not counting beal yet, but assume he will be near or over 40 also. the 38.3 is yuta, which i expect over 40. suns at 39.3 as a team (on 33.2 shots), and seems like we have reason to believe that number should rise.

    now, compare to the houston rockets who won 65 games and pushed the KD warriors to the brink- they took 42 3’s a game and their top shooter was 38.6. harden and gordon were at 36. 36.2 as a team, on 42 shots. no wonder the high variance.

    compare to big 3 nets, and you have more favorable - 40.2, 47.5, 45.0, 41.2. 39.2 as a team on 36 shots. seems like this shot profile is enough to be devastating given midrange shot-making.

    in modern nba, 73 win warriors highest ever at 41.6. next 2 years they were 38.3 and 39.1, but on like 31 shots a game.

    also of note, suns right now right there for highest team ft% of all time, on 4th most ft attempted per game this season.




  • Just to name, when we’ll over 60% of your offense is in street clothes, and you’re playing a damn good team with a damn good defense, on the road, that shit will happen.

    That’s why raising the floor seems so key. If the bench minutes can be even, blowouts should come heavy. And hopefully that’s what beals arrival can make happen. All of a sudden there is no place in the game where there’s a talent gap. Beal Gordon Allen KD eubanks is a HELL of a backup situation


  • Imo I want to name that the suns have elite role players

    -Allen is on the level of a Derrick white or Bruce brown. His elite skill is shooting but he brings enough everywhere that he can’t be played off the floor.

    -Gordon is the vet version of the same. ANOTHER guy who is norn powell level of value. comes off the bench.

    -nurk is playing ayton to even more or less. Knowing that 2 other rotation dudes are now present is laughable.

    Beyond this, guys like goodwin, Yuta, little, eubanks are all serviceable and I’d say above avg bench pieces, but they really stand out when you have a team with enough depth that these dudes are your 7th-10th guys.

    At this point-

    Suns best player KD? 3rd or 4th best 1st option in nba

    2nd best book - best 2nd option in nba

    3rd best beal - best 3rd option in nba

    4th best Gordon - top 5 fourth option

    5th best Allen - top 5 fifth option

    6th best nurk - top 5 sixth option imo

    That’s pretty wild.


  • I LOVE LOVE LOVE all the varied looks on defense. Sometimes you double, sometimes not. Maybe hedge. Maybe switch. Maybe blitz. Maybe zone. Haven’t seen box1 yet but coming. It’s awesome and amazing for have 5 guys be able to orchestrate constantly different looks. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this from my team. It really drives home how much Vogel is doing things differently and I think it’s SO EFFECTIVE. particularly at the end. It’s harder to feel in your groove when the defense is unpredictable like this.