At what point will people realise this genocide is not a ‘War’ at all.

These murderers should be tried in the Hague.

Are you claiming that the German government is running that instance?

Man, seeing Germany side with genocide once again was fucking not on my bingo card.

I don’t imagine things will get better under the new right-wing government either.

I appreciate the more balanced tone here, so let me respond in kind.

You are absolutely right that a single poll, especially one commissioned by an advocacy group, should not be treated as definitive. That is why I did not base my argument solely on the March 2025 poll. It is part of a broader pattern that has emerged across multiple public polls over the past few years. YouGov, Redfield & Wilton and Omnisis, for example, have all shown support for independence gradually increasing, particularly among younger voters. The private poll simply highlights and reinforces that existing trend.

I also agree that we need more consistent data to fully establish whether pro-independence views are retained as voters age. However, the evidence we do have suggests that this is happening. Those who were in favour at 25 still tend to be in favour at 35. While that trend needs more time to be confirmed definitively, it is already significant enough to warrant attention, at least in my opinion.

The main point here is not that independence is guaranteed or inevitable, but that the Welsh Lib Dems have traditionally relied on younger voters, and younger voters are consistently more likely to support independence than older ones. Ignoring that shift may not matter today, but it is a strategic risk in the longer term.

And just to add, I fully agree with your final point. Independence should only happen if it has clear and sustained support within Wales. That is the only democratic basis on which it could, or perhaps even should, proceed.

I welcome disagreement, but it helps if it engages with what I actually wrote.

You are right that private polls should be treated with caution. I did not spell out those limitations clearly enough in the article, and I take that point. But even putting the YesCymru poll to one side, the very data you have shared backs up the trend I am highlighting. In 2014, support for independence was around 12 percent. Now it is at 35 percent, or 41 percent if you exclude “don’t knows”. That is a clear and sustained increase over the past decade.

On youth support, the figures you show are from 2023 and are already outdated. More recent polling consistently shows that support for independence among younger voters is considerably higher than among the general population, often by a large margin, for example 72% in the most recent poll if “don’t knows” are excluded.

The Welsh Lib Dems do not ‘need’ to adopt a pro-independence stance, but ignoring a steadily growing shift in public opinion, especially among the voter base they have traditionally relied on, is politically short-sighted. Recognising this is not wishful thinking, it is basic strategic awareness.

You seem to miss the irony of claiming that I ignored your links, when the very piece you’re commenting under contains links substantiating the claims I’ve made here to you in the comments.

I suppose you make a little more sense to me now that I know you haven’t actually read the article.

I’m unsure how much you know about demographics in Wales, so I’ll explain some to you now.

Independence on the whole is currently polling about 41% in favour, that’s the entire electorate. When you instead look at 16-34 Year Olds, that support jumps to over 70%, it’s also become clear that as this group continues aging, their independence support isn’t wavering.

Historically, The Welsh Lib Dems have garnered most of their electoral support from the 16-34 block of voters. In shitting on one of the biggest issues that over 70% of their base care about, they’re shooting themselves in the foot massively.

Tips aren’t included in the meal prices over here (Wales), our servers just get paid actual wages for the actual job that they’re doing.

Absolutely fair enough, I’m just a somewhat ignorant Welsh man!

They have only ever been described here as American/Native American.

Though now that you mention this, Cowboys & Indians suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.

Are there actually Amish people in India?

I can’t tell if this is real or not.

Well shit.

In that case, keep posting!

Well written.

I fear there are many on Lemmy that don’t truly grasp the gravity of the current geopolitical climate, and despite you laying it out here with ease, people will disagree with your assessment.

Keep writing like this, we need as many doses of reality as we can muster in amongst the genocide apologists and arm chair experts.

16 is old enough to have taxable income alongside other things in the UK.

Quit smoking a few years back, that was an absolute bitch to do.

Still get the feeling every now and then, only ‘relapsed’ once at a funeral.

Hard yes, even with a small fine for failing to vote (£50-100) - With the caveat that spoiling the ballot/voting none of the above is also an accepted admission.

We need to start taking steps to reverse political apathy asap, this can be one of many.

Thank you for the kind words. I’m probably a little more pessimistic than you, but I’ll say I’m absolutely with you on hoping that an incoming labour government, even if it’s more right-wing than I would prefer, would be good (Or at the very least ‘better’) for the UK. Time will tell, I’m sure I’ll have more to complain about.

Well spotted on that error, fixed it now, appreciate it!

Unsurprising considering Labour has lurched largely to the right following defeat.

That’s not to say they are now right-wing but it’d be pretty accurate to describe this iteration of Labour, Starmer’s vision of Labour, a centrist party.

130 is more than they deserve.

Hopefully they decide to support PR voting off the back of this, I’m not ‘too’ hopeful though, would be quite unlike them to do something that actually benefits the electorate.