But they are. Since 1998.

Surely there would be a way to disable it altogether

https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1057549.html

You weren’t too far off

I doubt they renege on this.

Never ONCE said I hated Russia. Said they should have stayed the fuck out of the country that didn’t want them there. And if another country wants to help that country fight them so be it.

Its the exact same way with the situation with USA and Iran. USA should never have fucked with them they didn’t want them there and now if Russia is helping Iran so be it I think that’s fair.

But to deny that either one is a proxy war isnt being honest.

It doesn’t. It gives them weapons because Russia invaded them. Same way Russia gives Iran weapons because US and Israel is fucking with them.

Do you think I don’t support Palestine or something? Why bring up Palestine?

And yeah the same can be said for you, you think USA is controlling Ukraine when in reality they got invaded by the people who used to own them because they want the soviet union setup again. So yeah USA steps in because they don’t like Russia. They say its to help Ukraine but everyone knows what’s up. They even tried stealing future resources from them for the pleasure. That’s how proxy wars work. You use a third party to fight your enemy by supplying them with weapons and intelligence. So it kind of seems like the USA owning Ukraine or whatever you’re alluding to is the crux of your entire world view.

The very fact that USA is doing that and Russia in turn does it for Iran makes it even by those opinion piece books definition a proxy war.

Facts is facts.

An opinion piece doesn’t change shit. And isn’t the authority on the subject.

They include opinion pieces in newspapers as well.

The definition is what you didn’t k know

“Amazing you don’t even know what proxy is”

Ah yes I have opinion pieces I could write about the definition of communists, doesn’t mean any definitions change.

This is a guys opinion piece.

“Amazing you don’t even know what proxy means”

Difference between proxy and alliance is when the wars break out. As soon as you supply weapons to someone who is fighting against a current enemy of yours its a proxy war.

Yandex says it. Google says it. Merriam Webster says it.

You were wrong.

“Amazing you don’t even know what a proxy is”

A proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power. In the term “proxy war,” a belligerent with external support is the proxy. Both belligerents in a proxy war can be considered proxies if both are receiving foreign military aid from a third-party country. 12

There’s a Russian source. You’re wrong. You don’t know what proxy war means but continued to fight about it anyway. A simple look in any dictionary in any language from any country in the world will shoe you you’re mistaken and yet have the audacity to talk in other comments about possessing intelligence and critical thinking skills and “approaching ideas with knowledge”

You don’t even know how to comprehend what the fuck a grade school definition of proxy war is.

“Amazing you don’t even know what a proxy is”

Talking about a slave of the western education system lmfaooooooo

Oh bit see by Yandex own definition you are still flat ass wrong and don’t grasp what you are talking out of your ass about!

A proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power. In the term “proxy war,” a belligerent with external support is the proxy. Both belligerents in a proxy war can be considered proxies if both are receiving foreign military aid from a third-party country. 12

Go ahead and tell me Yandex is full of lies and western propaganda or something. It would just be another cherry on top for the mental gymnastics.

“Amazing you don’t even know what proxy means”

Bud by your own definition up above you said that since Russia doesn’t tell Iran what to do with the weapons it supplies them that that isn’t a proxy.

USA doesn’t tell Ukraine what to do with weapons either. It gives them to them.

Since both wars are being helped by an opposing party to the aggressor that makes it by the literal dictionary definition a proxy war.

“It’s ok when comrades do it because we do it to help that country defend itself. When the dirty capitalist pigs do it they do it to enrich themselves” do I have that right?

“Amazing you don’t even know what proxy means”

If USA is fighting a proxy war by supplying Ukraine with weapons, then yes Russia is fighting a proxy war by supplying Iran with weapons. (Hope Iran wins btw in case you confuse my stating facts with my personal beliefs again.)

Because even by those opinions of other generals on what makes a proxy war a proxy war then helping someone who is fighting against your enemy while that enemy is fighting a proxy war against you makes you a party involved in a proxy war. Its simple.

Russia doesn’t have to Give commands

Because,

proxy war

noun

1. A war where two powers use third parties as a supplement to, or a substitute for fighting each other directly.
2. A war instigated by a major power that does not itself participate.

Every single dictionary in every single language gives the same definition by the way bud.

So supplying weapons to a third party is enough to constitute a proxy war. Been the same word and meaning for a long time.

So if USA is fighting proxy with Ukraine how then is Russia not fighting a proxy with Iran?

USA doesn’t control Ukraine either. In fact Russia pinky swore not to ever invade it and did anyway so we give them weapons. Sounds like Russia should have stayed the fuck out of a country that never wanted them there.

Same thing with USA/Israel in Iran. Absolutely bullshit we should have never been there and killing little girls is beyond fucked up. So I don’t blame Russia helping Iran, I support it.

But see you seem to think one is ok and the other isn’t. That one is a proxy war and the other isn’t.

“Amazing you don’t even know what proxy means”

So then explain to me how Russia wouldn’t be a proxy war since “they don’t own or control the Iran government”

For someone who knows what proxy means why did you suggest that if a country doesn’t have control of that government that it isn’t a proxy war?

Would it be a lack of understanding on what proxy is? Or is it just more “well when we do it its ok and different”

“Amazing that you don’t even know what proxy means”

What part of the definition is wrong? Damn I provided the dictionary excerpt for you only to go back to that not understanding stuff again.

You said

“Meanwhile, Iran isn’t a proxy war because Iran is not a Russian proxy. Russia does not control the government in Iran or make decisions for Iranians. Amazing that you don’t even understand what the word proxy means.”

See now a normal person with normal reading comprehension would read this as" this person thinks the other party has to have control of one of the governments fighting in the war for it to be a proxy war" and see I provided this definition to show you no, that is not the case. That’s not what proxy means. My “western education” you claim I’m a victim to actually taught me that in a fifth grade civics class.

You see proxy war doesn’t mean that one of the parties using the other party to fight on their behalf means that they own or control them. It means that they see an opportunity to help an enemy of their enemy defeat that enemy.

You could read the definition a couple more times I posted it for your benefit so that you can learn something.

“Amazing you don’t know what proxy means”

Lol I love doing this because if you can actually get through without getting blocked you can see firsthand the lack of understanding about very basic words and concepts but oh boy it won’t stop the ml crowd from trying anyway then when you pull up definitions to prove them wrong they act like you pulled it up because YOU didn’t know when you literally told them what it meant right before that.

Honestly dude it has to take work to make yourself stay so ignorant of facts.

Yes I pulled it up so that you could see for yourself that your definition you provided was wrong. “Impossible to be a proxy war because Russia doesn’t control the Iran government”

Perhaps if you looked up some of these words you would know what you were talking about when you try to define them. “Amazing you don’t understand what proxy means” Shows definition “LOL SO FUNNY YOU HAD TO LOOK IT UP TO SEE WHAT IT MEANS” see a literate person would be following the flow of words to see that no, I did know what proxy was that’s why I said Russia is fighting a proxy war with Iran the same way Ukraine is.

You didn’t even know what it meant by your own words that are right there. Lol wtf. I’m glad you can reiterate it when you get provided a definition though, maybe there is hope for your literacy ability yet!

You’re the one who didn’t understand what it meant. The words are right there.

Its proxy war because the USA is the aggressors and Russia is providing weapons and intelligence to Iran to fight them. The same way USA is doing that for Ukraine. USA doesn’t control Ukraine government either they pretty famously don’t get along especially with the current administration.

Seriously man I get it. Understanding stuff can be difficult for some people.

proxy war

noun

1. A war where two powers use third parties as a supplement to, or a substitute for fighting each other directly.
2. A war instigated by a major power that does not itself participate.

Where does that say they have to have control of the government? You were SO QUICK to act like you were some authority on the subject and knew what it meant. I’m disappointed.

I know I know, it sucks to not be literate bro. You can get help though.

Also no a defense spokesperson pleading for peace to return to a region isn’t a sign that “they have the situation full under control” like you said. I know I know, comprehension sucks.

For future though you might want to actually know what these words mean before you fight ideologically about them. But I mean that’s just the way normal thinking people do it. You do you.

I would hate to be so blinded by my ignorance that I don’t even know what the words mean I fight others about. And then go so far as to try and make up a definition for it on top! Embarrassing.

“We believe that it is important that everything in the country returns to a peaceful, stable course as soon as possible,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists during a press briefing.

Sure doesn’t read that they have it under control. Again, you don’t seem to actually process information very well. That’s not something I’m equipped to help you with.

And no I’m capable of actually seeing things the way they are and not just lapping up whatever my government gives me to eat from their lap.

Sure a proxy war just like how it is now in Iran with Russia helping them. But if USA conquered Iran (dountful) then it wouldn’t be fair to say that “all of the entire Russian federation couldn’t even stop them” because by definition a proxy war is a war using two other parties. So you saying “all of NATO is getting defeated in Ukraine” again, this is an example of illiteracy. You yourself claim to know what a proxy war is, so you should know that it doesn’t include one single NATO boot on the ground.

Which is it, a proxy war or a war that NATO is fighting? You guys go back and forth with your points a lot.

They had a coup in 2020 and got rid of France. They have not been western involved or backed since. They hired Russia to secure it and it isn’t going well.

Here’s Putin himself saying he wants a return to peace after the situation deteriorated over the weekend. Straight from the horses mouth bud

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/eurasia/kremlin-says-its-important-for-situation-in-mali-to-return-to-peaceful-stable-course-/3920644

And no what bothers me is I’m quick to call out my government being a piece of shit. The people who infest .ml are always apologetic and dismissive and downplaying about it. That’s the difference.

Also all of NATO? Remind me again how many NATO troops are in Ukraine? Can you count them? Let’s see it. Sources?

Yeah. Didn’t think so.

And wait didn’t we just talk about territory getting captured?* Oh wait that’s right now we’re back to the “west is weak” stance and “all that territory isn’t as important as they make it seem”

If you look in the mirror and repeat it more to yourself maybe you will actually start to believe it too!

*even though again this isn’t western forces this is Ukrainian forces that are being armed with western weapons. Again, I know critical thinking is hard but if you just tried it you might actually like it.

Also to be clear I haven’t actually found any compelling evidence that Mali separatists are western backed but even if that were true, that’s like Russia supplying Syria with weapons or Iran with intelligence. And you know what, that’s fine.

I think if you’re invading another country you have no business at all fucking being in, that people should try and stop you. And USA is super bad about it we just invaded Venezuela and bombed a bunch of little girls in school and double tapped even. Super fucked up shit.

So of Russia wants to supply then with help I don’t see the problem.

At the same time, Russia should have stayed the fuck out of Ukraine (just like us should have stayed out of Venezuela and Iran) so I also don’t see a problem with the west supplying weapons to Ukraine.

See how that works? Turns out you can admit that your government is in the wrong and an imperialist shithole that values power and resources above all else.

Or at least, I can. Idk where they make you stay on the computer to spout these points. Or hey, maybe you even really believe them idk. Either way, its ok to admit when your country is doing something wrong. They aren’t going to throw in a political prison for it and if they would, then you should consider why you defend them.

Never said I was cheering for them, said that you might want to look I to the situation again since you suggested Russia had it all under control. Would you like to try again to equate my character with me saying one of your points was mistaken? Again, doesn’t mean I support one side or the other I know critical thinking is hard.

Also no, this comment was in context of you saying “the area taken isn’t as bad as the NATO trolls make it out to be” and then going on to say that “western backed” insurgents in Mali aren’t doing great and Russia is championing the situation (which is not true).

Which is it though really. Is the west weak and going to collapse or are they causing instability all the time and need to be taken out?

Also gotta love the mental gymnastics “Actually Russia is going great in Mali!!!” “You should look into that again the situation has changed” “I can’t believe you support and are cheering for the terrorists!!!”

Shit like that is why people think your proganda is insane. Anything that contradicts a compelte victory is cheering for the terrorists. That’s like USA playbook shit like how they do with Israel.

You saying that is proving a a point that you are incapable of reading and digesting information properly. Where did I say I supported them? Where did I cheer? I simply said your propaganda piece is outdated and you should check the situation again. The fact that you add shit into that makes me even more aware that you are not very literate.

Perhaps English isn’t your first language?