ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]

I work in software development. Almost all modern architecture would collapse without the open source ecosystem.

How is saying Stalin wasn’t a great guy either denying the holocaust?

You aren’t saying that though, you are saying that they killed an equivalent amount of people. You’re morally equating them. Also even the CIA didn’t consider stalin a dictator in their since declassified internal documents, treating him as one is another way you were taught to equate the USSR with nazi Germany.

Yes ofc, but a big percentage of the deportated people were Jewish. They killed two thirds of the European Jewish population.

I know, that isn’t the only group they targeted though. I was simply correcting an inaccuracy in what you said.

No:

Sorry, I thought it was high hundreds of thousands but it was actually a million. My mistake. Still, that is in no way similar to killing upwards of 35 million people in the name of bigotry.

They literally say that the intentional killing was around 1 million. Wikipedia is a notably right wing anticommunist source, and they say a million intentional deaths.

So you were lying?

Transphobic too? How surprising.

Who would have thunk the anticommunist was racist.

Hey, whoever told you those numbers is lying to you. The nazis killed 11 million people in the holocaust and 26-27 million soviet citizens. High estimates for people killed by the USSR outside of defeating nazism, failures, and sabotage is in the 100,000s, which is noticeably lower than capitalist oligarchies like the US and Britain. Also killing people based on them wanting to bring back old caste systems through violence is morally distinct from racism based mass killings.

The difference is that Hitler was after one specific group of people and wanted to eradicate them.

Also this isnt true, Jewish people, Roma, nuerodivergent people, disabled people, trade unionists socialists, communists, gay people, trans people, the list goes on.

Also you’re still equating the two after being told doing so is holocaust denial. You’re saying “well they killed equivalent amounts of people!”

Also without open source the capitalist tech sector would collapse

This you? https://hexbear.net/comment/3889149

Typical Russian bullshit. I hope the dwindling, future generations of Russian scum know why they’re pariahs, unable to travel outside of their smoldering wreck of a never-great, failed state

Cause honestly this comes off as incredibly racist and nationalist.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Here is a mainstream Jewish holocaust survivor saying equating the communists and fascists is holocaust trivialization.

1 and 3 are pretty directly political lol

Cuba and Russia, both which exist as they exist because of US meddling. The US was directly responsible for the undemocratic dissolution of the USSR without which this war wouldn’t be happening. The US is directly responsible for cuban economic desperation as they’ve been sieging Cuba ever since the communists overthrew the US puppet dictator and installed a socialist democracy.

“Tankie” is to liberals as “woke” is to conservative liberals and fascists.

They argue that acknowledgement of Stalin’s atrocities is Holocaust denial.

No, we argue that equating the bad things the soviet union did to the holocaust is holocaust trivialization, which is a take from mainstream liberal historians. Because the bad things the soviet union did were tiny compared to the holocaust and pretty tame compared to the other Allies.

Why does it always go to homophobia with these types

Is double genocide theory in the room with us now?

Yes, you repeatedly are equating communists with fascists which is the main rhetoric it uses to advance holocaust trivialization, you ass.

How does it justify the defense of ethnic cleansing you’ve engaged in this conversation?

Didn’t you just accuse me of gaslighting?

Lmao.

repackaged Russian fascist propaganda I see coming daily from the tankie community?

You need to open a history book specialized in how fascist systems exist and operate. Russia is literally just a belligerent bourgeois democracy. Putin is beholden to the oligarchs, a word for capitalists with an orientalist connotation. There is not the transition from primarily extracting increases of productivity from abstract surplus labor value to concrete labor value which marks fascism economically.

What “tankie community” lol? There isn’t a unified one. Do you mean us, who generally oppose the war and want a negotiated peace so Ukraine stops losing the war so expensively (in blood of conscripts)?

Do you mean the german ones thrown in the camps or the soviet leadership who were the last of the eventual allied powers to do any sort of appeasement with Hitler (after exhausting all attempts to form an alliance with Britain and France) because communism is less aligned with fascist goals than liberalism is aligned with fascist goals, massive underexageration mine? Do you mean the communist low level officials who helped in a massive ethnic relocation program to move vulnerable minorities out of the way of the eventual german invasion? Or do you mean the population of the only communist nation which lost 26 million people, around 1/6th of their population, stopping the holocaust?

Or were you referring to the joke about racism? If so, you gotta look up how the population of the USSR was not considered white at the time. Emma Goldman for example basically called Stalin a slanty eyed conniving Asian, for example. Nowadays slavs are still called orcs and shit by westerners.

I am not lying about your words. I am telling you that equating communists and fascists (which you have repeatedly done) is incorrect, and holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream liberal historians, which you could literally look up right now instead of continuing to show your own ass and be incredibly offensive to a communist organizer who lost family to the fucking holocaust.

I literally lost ancestors to the holocaust. Stop carrying water for fascists by equating the people who ended the holocaust to them. You’re doing work to trivialize the holocaust, according to literally every prominent Jewish historian who studied the holocaust and has spoken about double genocide theory. This is literally a mainstream position outside of communist circles.

Either learn to prioritize not giving the nazis ammo over your desire to be a mini-mcCarthy or learn what the actual differences between communism and fascism are instead of relying on propaganda that benefits the nazis.

You literally called some communists fascists. You’re equating them with people who did the holocaust. Which is problematic.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory