The point is that they do not need items, while yes a crystal maiden dies in a few hits from a fully farmed faceless void late game, she can hold him down with frostbite into freezing field dealing 60% to all his team members with nothing more than boots and whatever item she buys to make sure she doesn’t get stunned (ghost scepter, linkens, bkb, glimmer) while that faceless needed to farm all game to kill her, she didn’t need a penny more than the 500 gold for boots to carry her weight in a late game fight. Supports aren’t about just being decent early game, they’re about not needing the money later. Also enjoyment really depends on the person and character, saying no one enjoys playing support is just wrong.

Support gyro is fun, I don’t know how good it is past archon but its decent from there down

How long have you known what spectre did? That is literally what haunt was before, you had to go aghs before if you wanted the same effect and spectre didn’t get it off reality for haunt summoned ones. You also could use the shadow dagger without using reality but that was something that made it a bit better. Ironically, shadow step was buffed FROM 80 seconds at level 1 in 7.34d, so clearly she wasn’t as dominant before. My goal was to make her Aghs actually purchased without being too insane, and while I’m sure a global shadow dagger would be good, it already cancels blinks since they attack immediately, so that isn’t whats strong, the global slow is where the strength is, and spectre needs good stat items a lot more than she does slows on people she won’t be fighting with aghs pitiful stats.

Ask yourself “do I need any other items to be able to fight the entire enemy team at once?” if the answer to that is no, aghs is a good pickup, which shows the issue with it. Its just not enough impact to want to build over a core item like manta, not enough bulk to replace heart or skadi, no disable to help when you can actually hit someone with a haunt, no disable to replace skadi or basher, and almost no straight up damage to replace butterfly. As a spectre you don’t farm fast without kills, so you need to prioritize items that help killing a target and surviving after.

Old aghs when it was shadow step had a much more reasonable question to ask which was just “am I strong enough to want to be able to haunt to fights more often?” which needed a lot less to want.

Tldr, I want them to move the shadow step shadow dagger back to aghs. Something like “Grants haunt AND whenever a haunt illusion appears, a shadow dagger is cast on its target” would give the item a lot of use. Also it sounds cool as fuck for it to hit the entire team, would give the item much more reason to be bought.

I have been doing some 4 cent, he’s strong as hell in lane, can clear waves super quick, global ult, decent item variety, my main issue is he just do anything with retaliate, not a deal breaker when support gyro is so nice and has the same issue with flak cannon, cent seems more like a “I can be greedy” support since he farms very well for a support and dominates vs melee supports, vs ranged supports its much worse since you’re nowhere near as likely to be able to box, and support centaur feels like his main thing is how much he can box at pre-ult levels

better than wisdom runes at least, these werent the best but fuck man, wisdom runes suck

necrobook 25% cdr sniper was dope

I actually think hes quite nice, can’t farm for shit but hes a lot better early on than you give him credit for, aphotic shield is just one of the best abilities in the game and going 2 levels in it allows you to burst damage or heal for unreasonable amounts at no health cost let alone the save power if you use both with no regard for you own life, and people tend to go in too deep when they think they can get a kill so he can get quite a bit of damage from overextending enemies

I’ll admit he isn’t the best support because he is much more defensive early, his support merit is keeping your carry alive, if that isn’t valuable then abba isn’t, just so happens that keeping you carry alive isn’t a boon at the moment

and support don’t get money unless they can flash farm, and abba can’t so you gotta basically be able to work with just your boots and a few cheaper items none of which will ever be aghs unless you’re dazzle, which while abba with a holy locket and arcanes is good enough for him, its not good enough if a stun is needed, cause he doesn’t have one, only a dispel, so because of his reliance on items and lack of non passive CC, he’s better when in a higher position number

he has 2 gems and at least 3 challenges still devoted to eblade, I want them to revert it honestly, he was more fun like that, just building manta and skadi like everyone else is lame