Concentration camps have been a thing for most of the US’ existence, have become super widespread in recent decades (as in, the children in cages) and they’re completely bipartisan. At one point, there were twice as many children detained under Biden than at Trump’s highest.
You might not have known it until now (doubtful) but if I know democrats, you’re gonna handwave it away even though you no longer have that excuse. Democrats are no more than the left wing of fascism and so is anyone who treats these abuses as irrelevant distractions from the real issues, that is, the comforts of white people.
The irony of Biden approving more drilling and selling more protected land than any other president in history makes this comment so freaking funny.
Sure Trump is trying to best Biden on that front, but the fact that a Democrat already had that mantel at all and you have the nerve to comment this is just peak.
“the nerve”… You don’t have to like it but trump is an accelerationist. It’s not even debatable how much quicker the damage is and will keep being done. I think it’s funny you have “the nerve” to even pretend otherwise.
Okay, I’ll admit my analogy was a bit flawed. (Oh the joys of staying up much too late and arguing online) Here’s a better one:
One is driving off the edge while holding down the acceleration, screaming about how he wants to go faster.
The other is holding down the acceleration less, screaming about how he thinks we should go slower but isn’t taking his foot off the gas.
If you had to try and convince one of them to stop, or if you wanted to buy yourself the most time before going off the edge, which would you pick?
I get the argument, I really do. I used to make it, too.
But this guy:
holding down the acceleration less, screaming about how he thinks we should go slower but isn’t taking his foot off the gas
Was told 30+ years ago that we desperately need to hit the brakes. He has failed to do so because he’s wholly in the pocket of fossil fuel companies, and knows he’s among the most insulated from the worst effects of the crisis.
The answer to “which would you rather convince” is that neither can be convinced. One just has to put up a bit of a facade because more of his voters take the issue (marginally) more seriously. If that guy hasn’t done it in a generation, why would he do it now?
It’s also getting harder to justify the “accelerating less” part when Democrats do stuff like that article describes.
I get that. The problem for me is that this is a systemic issue, and it’s something that’s going to happen whether or not you as an individual participate, but it will impact your ability as an individual to fight for change.
We have a two-party duopoly. We have two bad choices. One is worse than the other, but neither will save us outright.
But if I’m going to do any kind of action to change that, I’m going to want the most favorable possible party in power. If you want to, say, fund more social programs, you’re going to watch Democrats possibly let you implement it, while Republicans will actively strip away what already exists the same day they get into office, then bar any new progress for the length of their term.
If you want to implement a system like ranked choice voting, you don’t want a wannabe dictator in power, because he’s obviously not going to make that as easy for you.
I don’t think the Democrats will actually save us in any way, nor do I think they’re currently pushing us in a very good direction overall, but the last thing I want is to increase the chance of someone like Trump staying in office by acting as though the Democrats are exactly equal, because all that will do is make any movement against right-wing policy extraordinarily difficult.
If I want to give myself the best odds of making a change, I want the people most sympathetic, even if only a little more than the alternative, to my cause, and right now, that’s the Democratic party, as unfortunate and depressing as that may be.
Are you conflating corporatism and concentration camps because they start with the same letter or are you really this fucking stupid?
Concentration camps have been a thing for most of the US’ existence, have become super widespread in recent decades (as in, the children in cages) and they’re completely bipartisan. At one point, there were twice as many children detained under Biden than at Trump’s highest.
You might not have known it until now (doubtful) but if I know democrats, you’re gonna handwave it away even though you no longer have that excuse. Democrats are no more than the left wing of fascism and so is anyone who treats these abuses as irrelevant distractions from the real issues, that is, the comforts of white people.
You seem to have concluded with no evidence that I’m a Democrat. That’s cute.
Ruining the planet for everyone is worse than anything else and on that issue both sides are the same
It’ll be ruined much faster with the red party in control. I guess we are gonna speed run the decline thanks to people like you.
The irony of Biden approving more drilling and selling more protected land than any other president in history makes this comment so freaking funny.
Sure Trump is trying to best Biden on that front, but the fact that a Democrat already had that mantel at all and you have the nerve to comment this is just peak.
“the nerve”… You don’t have to like it but trump is an accelerationist. It’s not even debatable how much quicker the damage is and will keep being done. I think it’s funny you have “the nerve” to even pretend otherwise.
If the only options are to keep ruining the world at a steady pace or speed it up then we’re cooked anyway (literally)
Driving off the cliff at 95 mph vs. 100 mph, and trying to argue there’s a difference
More like driving off with your foot on the gas pedal vs driving off with your foot on the brake.
At least one option has a chance of stopping you from going off the cliff. The other just wants to guarantee you get thrown off the edge.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1015581092/biden-promised-to-end-new-drilling-on-federal-land-but-approvals-are-up
That’s what you’re calling a brake
Okay, I’ll admit my analogy was a bit flawed. (Oh the joys of staying up much too late and arguing online) Here’s a better one:
One is driving off the edge while holding down the acceleration, screaming about how he wants to go faster. The other is holding down the acceleration less, screaming about how he thinks we should go slower but isn’t taking his foot off the gas.
If you had to try and convince one of them to stop, or if you wanted to buy yourself the most time before going off the edge, which would you pick?
I get the argument, I really do. I used to make it, too.
But this guy:
Was told 30+ years ago that we desperately need to hit the brakes. He has failed to do so because he’s wholly in the pocket of fossil fuel companies, and knows he’s among the most insulated from the worst effects of the crisis.
The answer to “which would you rather convince” is that neither can be convinced. One just has to put up a bit of a facade because more of his voters take the issue (marginally) more seriously. If that guy hasn’t done it in a generation, why would he do it now?
It’s also getting harder to justify the “accelerating less” part when Democrats do stuff like that article describes.
I get that. The problem for me is that this is a systemic issue, and it’s something that’s going to happen whether or not you as an individual participate, but it will impact your ability as an individual to fight for change.
We have a two-party duopoly. We have two bad choices. One is worse than the other, but neither will save us outright.
But if I’m going to do any kind of action to change that, I’m going to want the most favorable possible party in power. If you want to, say, fund more social programs, you’re going to watch Democrats possibly let you implement it, while Republicans will actively strip away what already exists the same day they get into office, then bar any new progress for the length of their term.
If you want to implement a system like ranked choice voting, you don’t want a wannabe dictator in power, because he’s obviously not going to make that as easy for you.
I don’t think the Democrats will actually save us in any way, nor do I think they’re currently pushing us in a very good direction overall, but the last thing I want is to increase the chance of someone like Trump staying in office by acting as though the Democrats are exactly equal, because all that will do is make any movement against right-wing policy extraordinarily difficult.
If I want to give myself the best odds of making a change, I want the people most sympathetic, even if only a little more than the alternative, to my cause, and right now, that’s the Democratic party, as unfortunate and depressing as that may be.
Genocide bad? Oh my god talk about a lack of nuance 🤓