To the troubles? The Partition of Ireland? The Tudor Conquest of Ireland and the Plantation of Ulster? The British Empire in general? Or whatever the fuck the Britain is doing on the world stage now?
There isn’t much of anything that Britain has done to Ireland that England didn’t also do to Scotland, or the Anglo-Normans to Wales.
But I was just going by the fact that England is where all the Tory voters are.
Have you missed the last several hundred years or so, featuring British colonialism and genocides conducted with the involvement of the British?
The colonialism we did with a navy that was about 20% Irish and an army that was about 30% Irish? Ireland hardly innocent on that front.
Oh? What was their analogue of the Irish Potato Famine?
Admittedly, it’s quite hard to do a potato famine to someone. It’s more a thing you take advantage of when it happens. But the Highland Clearances and the Highland Potato Famine were happening at roughly the same time.
The colonialism we did with a navy that was about 20% Irish and an army that was about 30% Irish? Ireland hardly innocent on that front.
This says nothing about the relations of unequal exchange, unlike how the British Empire engaged in policies like preventing the affected by the famine in Ireland from accessing food.
Admittedly, it’s quite hard to do a potato famine to someone. It’s more a thing you take advantage of when it happens. But the Highland Clearances and the Highland Potato Famine were happening at roughly the same time.
Not seeing anything about food being prevented from being delivered to the Scottish, or things like that.
People don’t really hate the English other when they begin to justify their colonial atrocities.
The colonialism we did with a navy that was about 20% Irish and an army that was about 30% Irish? Ireland hardly innocent on that front.
The oppressed are coerced into the military all the time. The shtick is to make their living conditions so horrible, their chances of employment so shit that they have no other choice other than to join the military that provides them with the only reprieve.
Look to Russia with the buryats and other marginal groups for an example that’s not UK.
You should also know the Irish were treated as second class citizens even when they were allowed into the military.
Not a dude, and not doing apologetics or trying to justify anything, either. I am merely making the point that if the British are to be judged on the sins of our fathers to the third and fourth generation, then I don’t think merely no longer being a part of the same continuing political entity absolves the Irish of theirs. But quite frankly I don’t give a shit who was to blame for what, because I’m not actually in any way culpable for anything anyone did before I was born.
People don’t really hate the English other than when they begin to justify their colonial atrocities.
Then why are we talking about colonialism? I never mentioned colonialism. I made a joke in the meme community about how I (an English person, FWIW) hate the English because I hate currently living in England. (Try and guess why.) It was Tomorrow Farewell who came in apparently putting the argument that Scotland and Wales deserve to be hated just as much due to the crimes of the past, and I just felt like pointing out that even on those terms both Irish people and Scottish people have been both victims and perpetrators to varying degrees.
The oppressed are coerced into the military all the time. The shtick is to make their living conditions so horrible, their chances of employment so shit that they have no other choice other than to join the military that provides them with the only reprieve.
Do you think every Irish person who served in the British army had no choice in the matter, but the English and Scottish soldiers were doing it only for the love of the game?
Scotland willing got into the union.
The Scottish nobility wanted into the union, and even then only after the failure of the Darien plan. That wasn’t true for the Scottish as a whole, and certainly not true of the Highlanders who were forcibly displaced and had their culture and language suppressed in many of the same ways the Irish did, contemporaneously.
Unwilling collaborators to what, exactly?
To the troubles? The Partition of Ireland? The Tudor Conquest of Ireland and the Plantation of Ulster? The British Empire in general? Or whatever the fuck the Britain is doing on the world stage now?
There isn’t much of anything that Britain has done to Ireland that England didn’t also do to Scotland, or the Anglo-Normans to Wales.
But I was just going by the fact that England is where all the Tory voters are.
Have you missed the last several hundred years or so, featuring British colonialism and genocides conducted with the involvement of the British?
Oh? What was their analogue of the Irish Potato Famine?
The colonialism we did with a navy that was about 20% Irish and an army that was about 30% Irish? Ireland hardly innocent on that front.
Admittedly, it’s quite hard to do a potato famine to someone. It’s more a thing you take advantage of when it happens. But the Highland Clearances and the Highland Potato Famine were happening at roughly the same time.
The Irish Potato Famine was genocide.
This says nothing about the relations of unequal exchange, unlike how the British Empire engaged in policies like preventing the affected by the famine in Ireland from accessing food.
Not seeing anything about food being prevented from being delivered to the Scottish, or things like that.
Dude, just stop with the colonial apologia.
People don’t really hate the English other when they begin to justify their colonial atrocities.
The oppressed are coerced into the military all the time. The shtick is to make their living conditions so horrible, their chances of employment so shit that they have no other choice other than to join the military that provides them with the only reprieve.
Look to Russia with the buryats and other marginal groups for an example that’s not UK.
You should also know the Irish were treated as second class citizens even when they were allowed into the military.
Scotland willing got into the union.
Not a dude, and not doing apologetics or trying to justify anything, either. I am merely making the point that if the British are to be judged on the sins of our fathers to the third and fourth generation, then I don’t think merely no longer being a part of the same continuing political entity absolves the Irish of theirs. But quite frankly I don’t give a shit who was to blame for what, because I’m not actually in any way culpable for anything anyone did before I was born.
Then why are we talking about colonialism? I never mentioned colonialism. I made a joke in the meme community about how I (an English person, FWIW) hate the English because I hate currently living in England. (Try and guess why.) It was Tomorrow Farewell who came in apparently putting the argument that Scotland and Wales deserve to be hated just as much due to the crimes of the past, and I just felt like pointing out that even on those terms both Irish people and Scottish people have been both victims and perpetrators to varying degrees.
Do you think every Irish person who served in the British army had no choice in the matter, but the English and Scottish soldiers were doing it only for the love of the game?
The Scottish nobility wanted into the union, and even then only after the failure of the Darien plan. That wasn’t true for the Scottish as a whole, and certainly not true of the Highlanders who were forcibly displaced and had their culture and language suppressed in many of the same ways the Irish did, contemporaneously.