As an outside observer to this sub, I see some people saying he’s overpaid and a glorified role player, others say he’s a cornerstone of the future of Denver. What’s really going on? I think its a misunderstanding of professional experience.
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MPJ was drafted in 2018 and has played 207 career NBA regular season games and 49 playoff games. He essentially didn’t play in college.
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Jalen Brunson (the best player drafted after MPJ in 2018), has played in 364 regular season games, 36 playoff games and 116 college games. He has had double the amount of games since high school relative to MPJ, despite sharing a draft.
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When Brunson was on game 207, he had just started the 2022 season (his breakout year) after spending 2021 averaging 12/3/3 in 25 mpg, mostly playing off the bench behind THJ and Josh Richardson. The Mavs lost in 7 to the clippers that postseason, while Brunson went 8/2/1.4 off the bench.
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Jamal Murray has 418 regular season games, 53 playoff games and 36 games in college. Again, nearly double the amount of games since high school relative to Mike.
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When Jamal was at game 207 of his NBA regular season career, it was the middle of the 2018-2019 season where he averaged 18/4/5 on 44/37/85. In the playoffs that year he had 21/4/5 on 42/34/90. The season ended with him going 4-18 in a 4 point game 7 loss.
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MPJ is currently averaging 17/8/2 on 58% EFG.
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Players with around the same amount of total NBA experience as MPJ are guys like Ant Edwards and Immanuel Quickley. Guys with as much total experience since HS would be guys like Evan Mobley and Trey Murphy. I feel like all of these guys are considered “Up and comers” in a way that MPJ isn’t.
Maybe his age makes people think of him as a vet, but I find it more likely he is still learning the NBA game just as much as any of the other guys mentioned in this post with similar experience. He is defending and rebounding much better in the past year and some of the moves to get free in the midrange in the past two weeks certainly look new to me. While his spacing is vastly important (I would even say underrated) to the Denver offense, I agree with critics who say you have to be more than solely a top 10 shooter in the world to deserve a max contract. However, why is there any doubt he’s able to improve? This is a guy with the experience of a third year player who was maxed to keep a young asset and improves every year, particularly on defense. Why is there negativity about him here? My Wizards would kill for a player like this.
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It would be great if he was more consistent from 3 and not as streaky. His lateral quickness on D is pretty bad but his length does help.
He’s defensive rebounding is great. I can say that.
Reggie Jackson after the Clippers game said many people don’t understand how important spacing is. MPJ main role offensively is spacing. You can talk about his 3pt shot lately, but you can’t leave him open and no defense dare to do that. Mike also is playing on a healing ankle, he said it’s still taped and is most affected on B2B’s. Why? Idk I personally believe he should have sat out, but given his back history he obviously has a high tolerance for pain. If you don’t know, basketball is Mike life. There’s no doubt in my mind he loves basketball more than anybody on the team, so he cares and want to succeed and he definitely tries
maybe he is learning and will become better but he is currently paid $40 million on a max rookie extension, something reserved for the very best that can elevate and carry a team. just look at the others in his salary range - ja, zion, darius garland, bane etc.
unfortunately even the most biased fan will admit porter’s production does not match that kind of salary right now. and his salary has meant our bench has to rely almost solely on rookies and minimum vet contracts. it doesn’t actually help that the one guy on the bench that we did pay this yr is probably the worst nba player in the league right now.
all of this means we are super reliant on jokic and murray to pretty much carry us during the season. no other good team is superstar reliant as our team is.
i can’t see how we can keep his contract for all the way through if all of these rookies don’t hit. if we win the chip this yr, reggie will get a 15 million-ish contract from somebody and holiday will also get more than the minimum he makes this yr. we need to pay both aaron gordon and kcp soon as well. we have kcp’s bird rights so i guess we can keep him but gordon will expect 30 million or so himself. i guess calvin booth is relying on all the rookies to make major leaps this yr, this is something i’m pretty pessimistic on.
These are all good points. I also think a lot of people don’t understand NBA team building and salary structure when they say “MPJ is overpaid” (or really, when they talk about players being overpaid). People often seem to think that NBA salary structure is like going to the grocery store with a budget… “oh imagine if we could have just bought 2% milk and a dozen eggs for the same price as this organic whole milk”. But the NBA is not like that.
Signing players to extensions early has to be part of the Nuggets strategy. Melo taught us that. It may not always work out. In the case of MPJ it has resulted in a championship and a chance at building a dynasty. It’s worked out. You will probably see something similar happen with players like Watson and Strawther. Even when it doesn’t work out, if you have a tradeable asset it’s not a bad situation.
I got on MPJ in the post game thread because Hastings is always saying he’s a top 5 shooter in the NBA. And don’t get me wrong, I love MPJ. He brought D and rebounding in the Finals when his shot was gone and has continued to bring those elements so far this season. But I don’t think his 3 point shooting is consistent enough to call him a top 5 shooter. KCP has a higher 3P%. Among players with over 100 3PA he’s like 30th in 3P%. And frankly his shooting seems to disappear when we need it most. The contract is what it is. At the end of the day, he’s a fine player and I’m glad we have him.