I’m hyped for this TBH.
IMO Dune is a 3 part story, where the first book is parts 1 and 2 and Messiah is part 3. Look at the book lengths and you’ll see what I mean, book 2 is obviously much shorter than the rest and a I kind of epilogue to the first book.
There are the other sequels, yes, with their own conversation about whether they’re worth reading. But in so many ways book 2 really finishes the story and idea of book 1 that I like to think of it as just part 3.
So that they’re doing a trilogy in the same way is awesome IMO!
If Villeneuve does end up making “Dune Messiah,” it’ll be the first time an adaptation of Herbert’s stories went beyond the first “Dune” novel.
that’s either a poorly researched article or the author means to say “…the first time a movie adaption of Herbert’s stories went beyond the first “Dune” novel”
Dune: Messiah and Children of Dune were both adapted in the 2003 TV mini series ‘Children of Dune’.
Yes! Messiah is my favorite book in the series, and it’s a great way to close out Paul’s arc and realize Frank’s message of the dangers of messianic figures.
I can’t imagine US audiences taking kindly to a movie with “Messiah” in the title, so imagine that it’ll be called Dune: Part 3.
One step closer to getting God Emperor on film!
I’m not sure I understand this post. Dune is (or was) a trilogy. Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune. At least, that’s how I grew up knowing them.
So in the movies they’re doing a good enough job that they split the first book, Dune, into two parts. I don’t remember the author doing this, though. So the second book, Messiah, will be the third movie and if they’re still making money by then I’m sure we will get Children.
The theory I’ve heard touted is that the Villanueva trilogy will just follow Paul’s story. That arc concludes nicely at the end of Messiah and potentially sets up a 4th installment focusing on the kids if the appetite is still there.
Messiah was actually part of the first dune in the original design, although Herbert later splitted it.
Children is something else, even if it shares the characters, it’s very much a setup for God Emperor. It has very different themes and style. Same with Heretics.
IMHO Dune is better seen as three duologies: Dune+Messiah, Children+God Emperor and Heretics and Chapterhouse.
IMHO Dune is better seen as three duologies: Dune+Messiah, Children+God Emperor and Heretics and Chapterhouse.
Very true IMO. Illustrated by the protagonists in each book as well … (potential minor spoilers)
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- Paul (Dune+Messiah)
- Leto II (Children + God)
- Idaho, Teg, Odrade (Heretics + Chapterhouse)
But what about the prequels?
/s slightly because I actually enjoyed most of them
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Thank you - that makes perfect sense.
Well it’s an adaptation. Things get changed.
It’s interesting to see how far they take it and whether enough people watch it to keep it going.
While going up to Children might make sense to some, IMO the book series has a somewhat unique quality of having no really obvious ending point, even at the end of the (F Herbert) books.
The real reason they’re unlikely to go past Children is that God Emperor would be a tough sell for obvious reasons for anyone who’s read it. That being said, if they were to do a fourth film, I could see them folding Children and God Emperor into one.
Either way, I stand by my statement in the top post, Messiah naturally goes along with the first book.
Honestly it seems like an arbitrary line, considering that Herbert’s story continues for a few more books after that. The first two books could also be considered a good standalone (duology?), since they cover the span of Paul’s story.
Really, the only wrong answer is the first book alone. I think most people read only the first book and get the wrong idea.
And my opinion is probably an artifact of the fact that, when I first read the Dune books, there were only 3. Being a) young and b) a fan of sf and fantasy literature, I sort of assumed that the trilogy was the natural literary format for wide ranging stories. That thought process did make Children a bit confusing, of course.
Ultimately I agree that Paul’s story is the real thing they’re telling. I was just looking for clarification on the “trilogy” idea because of my own history with the series.
Anybody taking bets on Peter Dinklage as Bijaz?
I’d be curious to see how they’d do the second book because things start to get real wacky. I read all three and really only enjoyed the first one.
Wait … you haven’t read God Emperor?
I haven’t, only read the OG trilogy.
Yea interesting.
God emperor is often touted as the best by some. I think this is an overstatement. It can be kinda boring. But it is probably the most unique apart from maybe the first.
It also, I think links very strongly back to Paul’s arc starting in the first book …
spoilers up to Children of Dune
If you recall at the end of Children, Paul and Leto have a talk where Paul reveals that he saw the path Leto was trying to take but couldn’t bare to take it himself. This basically reveals Paul’s essential “flaw”, that he was too human. While Children establishes the nature of Leto’s approach, God Emperor focuses on what that path ends up being like for Leto. And in that way is a compelling piece of fiction, in focusing on a character that has really gone above and beyond in their mission for humanity.
So I’d recommend it on this basis.
The series kinda lost me when it went into the possession and future seeing aspects, so I am fairly certain I wouldn’t really enjoy the following book, but if I ever get the chance to skim it I will.
Absolutely - I honestly think Dune and Dune Messiah should be sold as one book.
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I don’t even like these new Dunes because the original 2000 miniseries is the best. Still, I would like to see sandworm god emperor leto being horny for Hwi Noree. And then the fish lady or whatever cumming in her pants when he falls off a cliff or whatever the fuck it was (spoilers).
Lemmy does have a hidden spoilers feature
The books were published decades ago so 🤷♂️
Rather poor excuse IMO. For a very simple reason. Not everyone was alive decades ago! Many are reading the books today.
And for this simple reason, managing spoilers will always matter unless your social media is in a very monocultural bubble.
I personally had the endings of Heretics and Chapterhouse spoiled for me — as I finished the series only in the past few years — by some flippant comments online. Other spoilers have ruined things too for me.
IMO, along with film previews becoming increasingly spoilery … we’ve lost a real sense of allowing people to experience films, books and media naive, which naturally takes away from the experience and even the idea that media are about the experience and not the punchline, summary or resultant meme.
