• library_napper@monyet.cc
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    11 months ago

    Look, theres a lot of reasons this guy sucks.

    Increasing the costs of two things that are causing the most damange to our planet is not a reason to criticize him tho.

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      11 months ago

      This guy isn’t a climate activist. It’s funny to see the price of fuel going up with a climate denier.

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      11 months ago

      sure it is. removing subsidies on commodities like gas doesn’t change the demand for gas, it just puts more of a burden on poor people, and doesn’t matter at all to the rich who use it most. that path will only lead to backlash against green policies in general, see the yellow vest protests. in order to reduce consumption you actually need to reduce demand by giving people sustainable alternatives.

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        Demand elasticity is a thing. Demand won’t shrink by the same ratio prices rose after removing subsidies, but it will shrink.

        Response to that I can’t predict, but there are places in the planet where prices are lower because of the general poverty of population and the need to still sell it, and places where prices are even higher, but most of the population can’t afford fuel, I can’t name.

        EDIT: This was incomprehensible, sorry. I meant that in the long term prices for the consumer are going to become closer to what they were with subsidies, likely, thus the real prices - lower. The question is how bad it gets before that happens.

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        11 months ago

        How the fuck do they afford subsidies? Why do you think they have been in this crisis for 30 years? It is a well educated and fairly modern society. But if you think socialist programs can be paid by borrowing money or printing money indefinitely and won’t result in cronic poor outcomes then you have little understanding of basic economics.

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        11 months ago

        I assume they mean disposable diapers. Cloth dipers prevent sanitation issues and solve the waste issue.

        But the problem I was referring-to is the catastrophic environmental damage caused by humans reproducing

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      11 months ago

      diapers bad

      this reads like the reddit mayobrain take where they pat themselves on the back for not eating octopus because it’s “smart”

      You’re not doing anything, you’re just stretching and reaching for a bright side to make yourself look good/feel good. Plastic literally-everything-fucking-else usage (ziploc bags, garbage bags, cups, spoons, forks, condiment packets, takeout containers, grocery bags which still exist despite having been banned) is so astronomically higher than diapers that it probably makes the CO2 differential between Africa and Europe look small

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      11 months ago

      diapers bad

      Let me guess, you’ve never raised small children while also having to work full time?

      Washing, boiling and drying poopy diapers is something people had the time to do back when women were expected to be full-time housewives. Unless you’re proposing a drastic reduction of work hours for parents, something “just raise the price of everything” is the direct opposite of doing, you’re simply cheering for life becoming harder for ordinary working class people.

      You’re not going to avert climate change by making things suck more for working class people. All that is going to lead to is ecofascism. A socialist alternative to climate change has to offer actual justice and a better future than the present.