• Venicon@sopuli.xyz
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      10 months ago

      ALL cops you say?

      I have many friends and family who have joined the Scottish Police and given years of their lives to serving their communities, risking their own lives and health. Should I say fuck them too?

      I joined the police for six months before deciding it wasn’t the career for me and got back into charity work. Are you saying Fuck Me now or just for the six months I was in? Did my fuckery expire?

      How can thousands, millions of people doing a job be reduced to such a binary sentiment.

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        ALL cops you say?

        While acab is probably too generalized a term to apply to ALL police forces in the world… Interpreting acab in absolutes is also kinda silly and needlessly pedantic.

        If I were to say all Nazi are bastards… Would we be making the same arguments? Surely there were Nazi that were forced to join the party, surely there were Nazi giving years of their lives to serving their communities, risking their lives and health.

        The point of ACAB is to highlight the inherent and institutional failures of policing actions native to the vast majority of western democracies. Where police are primarily utilized to protect property and institutional power, rather than protecting the most disadvantaged communities in our society.

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          Trouble with that theory is that I think regular people won’t hear something like ‘All Cops Are Bastards’ and immediately think ‘well they probably don’t mean all cops’. It literally says it there.

          Maybe because I’m Scottish living in Scotland I’m separate from the US side of the movement/argument but knowing so many good people in the service who have probably done more for their communities than some people spray painting on walls it just sounds so blatant. If it was a different slogan then I doubt people would have an issue with it but not everyone hears all the details about what it apparently means online or whatnot, they just see the words.

          No desire to be pedantic at all, just explaining why a lot of folk won’t get behind the message.

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            ACAISAETOSOOSBTNOTPI or All Cops Are Inherently Supporting And Enforcing The Opressive Systems Of Our Society By The Nature Of The Policing Institution doesn’t quite have the same ring to it though.

            I mean I get it, “ACAB” sounds a bit like an over-reaction and I wouldn’t use that term to talk about Belgian cops, but within leftist circles like lemmy I think it’s an acceptable shorthand since 90+ percent of people already understand The Discourse™ on some level.

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              Haha that acronym gave me a chuckle.

              Yeah I get it, I just don’t like when things are reduced to all x’s are y’s, think that kind of polarised thinking isn’t helpful when the world has a whole lot of grey in it. Equally if someone is happy to post a comment like that online I don’t think there is anything bad about chatting it through like reasonable humans.

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                I’ve never heard a progressive, liberal or democrat call themselves “left wing” before

                Thanks for expanding my world view!

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                  I’m not American so labels like democrat and liberal mean nothing to me. Consequently I have no idea what you’re trying to insinuate

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              PEB

              Policing Enables Bastards

              Meanwhile, “ACAB” is obviously wrong and disrespect to anyone who signs up to get fired for being a good cop.

              Don’t need to say literally wrong things that have to be re-explained, even if it is catchy. Be The Change!

              AACABAL! (All ACAB’rs Are Lazy!) :)

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                See, that expresses that it’s a systemic issue and that consequently some cops are bastards without damning everyone who is part of a large diverse group. It’s even a simpler acronym. Brilliant

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            As a New Zealander, I feel the same way about ACAB as you. I definitely have issues with the Police and I definitely think they’re a racist institution (NZ stats back that up) but ACAB is a shitty slogan IMO

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        Hey, all I do for a living is generate value for a group of people who harm others! I’m just feeding them and housing them! Is that so bad?

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        Yes, fuck them, and fuck you.

        You choose to knowingly join the organisation that was literally created and exists solely to serve the rich and oppress everyone else to do it.

        Cops are class traitors who can choose to leave their position at any time, the marginalised people they exist to abuse have no such luxury.

        Your feeling are irrelevant.

        ACAB

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          You’re a fucking idiot. I live in a small town up in the mountains in Europe, and some absolute fucking dimwits like you have been going round spraying ACAB on stuff

          Our two policemen and two policewomen are the genuinely nicest folk you’ll ever meet and do loads and loads of good for the community. When they’re not busy they volunteer to deliver free meals to the elderly and help out at the charity shop

          Tarring everyone with the same brush is something simpletons do, which is probably why they didn’t accept you into the police 😂

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      You should purge all the white cells from your body. Not only are they extremely militant cops, they’re white.