I disagree that her character wasn’t showing growth. Idk what you think she should have grown towards, but she was making decisions (good and bad, like humans do) and living with those consequences. It feels like there was a bigger arch they were building towards that we just didn’t get to yet.
But I get that part of it is objective. For me and my experience, I would say she was showing growth.
This is where the conversation of “misogyny” comes in. Its not for you, so its “bad.” It’s okay that the humor wasn’t for you. Not everything is for me, and not everything has to be for you. There is plenty of media that isn’t for me that I still would say is objectively good, even if I’d never put it on purposefully.
I think that show was trying to bring in people that were not the mcu normal demographic. For someone whose hunor and tatses are a little different. I watched that show with friends that aren’t into marvel at all and enjoyed it.
But maybe there were too few like me whose ven diagram of intrest and experience converged where that show was trying to live.
Jen started liking herself more by the end, but I don’t know if one could call that an arc necessarily, since it didn’t really affect her behavior all too much. She maintained the same amount of arrogance throughout the entire show without facing any consequences for that behavior either, which is different from other characters in the MCU who have been done better because they were allowed to grow out of their arrogance (like Iron Man).
But when it comes to humor…maybe there is like a compilation of the jokes? But the writing was so bad it was hard to catch them. Maybe I’d have to squint a bit more to see the punchlines. But it’s not a matter of the humor being “not for me”; Teen Titans Go and Friends humor is “not for me” (to be fair some of TTG’s humor is bad as well, but not all of it), but the She-Hulk humor was just bad.
While I do understand that the show is targeting a different demographic, that doesn’t excuse how bad it is. That reminds me of the folks who say that it’s fine for kids shows and movies to be bad because they’re just for kids. And it’s not even possible to target the same demographic and make something good; like I would say that Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel (which was certainly not for me) were far better and also targeted a somewhat similar audience.
Look, I’m not going to, and I dont want to, convince you to like it. And you wont convince me to not like it. It’s art, it’s subjective. That’s okay.
However, If you compare it to other media popular for it’s target audience, it’s very much in line with the attitude and humor. Television shows like Fleabag and Insecure, books like Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation or Raven Leilani’s Luster. If you are enjoying or following this movement in art, and are a part of that conversation, you would probably think it’s good, funny, interesting.
Look it’s not for you, why isn’t that okay? Does everything I’m the mcu need to be for you, or can the space be big enough for others?
I disagree that her character wasn’t showing growth. Idk what you think she should have grown towards, but she was making decisions (good and bad, like humans do) and living with those consequences. It feels like there was a bigger arch they were building towards that we just didn’t get to yet.
But I get that part of it is objective. For me and my experience, I would say she was showing growth.
This is where the conversation of “misogyny” comes in. Its not for you, so its “bad.” It’s okay that the humor wasn’t for you. Not everything is for me, and not everything has to be for you. There is plenty of media that isn’t for me that I still would say is objectively good, even if I’d never put it on purposefully.
I think that show was trying to bring in people that were not the mcu normal demographic. For someone whose hunor and tatses are a little different. I watched that show with friends that aren’t into marvel at all and enjoyed it.
But maybe there were too few like me whose ven diagram of intrest and experience converged where that show was trying to live.
Jen started liking herself more by the end, but I don’t know if one could call that an arc necessarily, since it didn’t really affect her behavior all too much. She maintained the same amount of arrogance throughout the entire show without facing any consequences for that behavior either, which is different from other characters in the MCU who have been done better because they were allowed to grow out of their arrogance (like Iron Man).
But when it comes to humor…maybe there is like a compilation of the jokes? But the writing was so bad it was hard to catch them. Maybe I’d have to squint a bit more to see the punchlines. But it’s not a matter of the humor being “not for me”; Teen Titans Go and Friends humor is “not for me” (to be fair some of TTG’s humor is bad as well, but not all of it), but the She-Hulk humor was just bad.
While I do understand that the show is targeting a different demographic, that doesn’t excuse how bad it is. That reminds me of the folks who say that it’s fine for kids shows and movies to be bad because they’re just for kids. And it’s not even possible to target the same demographic and make something good; like I would say that Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel (which was certainly not for me) were far better and also targeted a somewhat similar audience.
Look, I’m not going to, and I dont want to, convince you to like it. And you wont convince me to not like it. It’s art, it’s subjective. That’s okay.
However, If you compare it to other media popular for it’s target audience, it’s very much in line with the attitude and humor. Television shows like Fleabag and Insecure, books like Ottessa Moshfegh’s My Year of Rest and Relaxation or Raven Leilani’s Luster. If you are enjoying or following this movement in art, and are a part of that conversation, you would probably think it’s good, funny, interesting.
Look it’s not for you, why isn’t that okay? Does everything I’m the mcu need to be for you, or can the space be big enough for others?
I’m all for things that aren’t for me…so long as they’re good.
I haven’t seen any of those shows or read those books, although I’ve seen some clips from Fleabag and it looks hilarious.