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      It’s obvious, and either many congressmen are an agent of a foreign power, or are truly dumb enough to not realize the unspoken obviousness of this simple fact.

      Prefix: I ended up ranting/venting a bit… our government is so frustrating at times:

      From a US perspective, it is more a time for other countries to step up in this regard (as they have been), as while continued funding and support from the US will happen, it may be a long time from the US (maybe even 2 to 4 years if this election cycle doesn’t oust/block some of these nutjobs that are either beholden to outside powers, or don’t understand anything outside our own borders).

      I’ll take this time to say what many keep unspoken, because Ukrainians have the balls to actually voice it to the world:

      No offense to Ukrainians, I want them to win, but even a loss in Ukraine after a sustained long drawn out battle, is of benefit to any country Russia considers an adversary, a place to oppress, or a country were attractive resources. Ukraine should be supported in their opposition to this invasion for as many years as it takes, no matter what. Twenty years, fifty years, however long; there should be no metric of ‘it’s been 2 years, and Ukraine hasn’t won; are they just wasting our money?’. That is just a dumb concept.

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        many congressmen are an agent of a foreign power

        Could Americans, just for once, take responsibility for their own shitty politicians and politics, rather than blaming it on foreigners? This “foreign agent” bullshit is basically the same kind of conspiracy theory scape goating that Republicans do with Qanon, and it’s bordering on fascistic in it’s attitude.

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          USA is a fascist country. Why do you even need to elaborate? Hitler’s racial segregation policies were inspired by USA. USA to this date has Confederate flags in houses and sundown cities. And this is not limited to Republicans. The “leftist” liberals used Uyghurs for a fake genocide agenda, cheered for Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan, and are happy about the genocide of brown skin Arabs. I trust sleeping naked with a cobra in a dark jungle over trusting USA.

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          Saying that foreign agents control your politicians is far more damning of those politicians and your country than it is of the foreign agents. Foreign agents are supposed to try to influence the politicians, and the politicians are supposed to resist that influence. One group is doing their job, and the other isn’t.

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            For one thing, they didn’t say their politicians are controlled by foreign agents, they said that their politicians are foreign agents.

            But either way, turning to conspiracy theories in order to blame domestic issues on foreign scapegoats is a fascist thing to do.

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              Nothing about my point is changed in the slightest by that distinction. If your country’s politicians are another country’s agents, your country is doing it wrong.

              I get what you are saying, but but whether or not a country’s politicians are loyal to that country isn’t a fascist thing, even if fascists are quick to claim it as part of their fear generating schtick.

              As far as I am personally concerned, the super wealthy are way more foreign to me than regular folks in the rest of the world. In that sense, our US politicians definitely serve foreign interests. Our politicians serve anyone with cash, and I don’t think they care much which side of the border that money comes from.

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    Every weapon sent to Ukraine is a weapon not dropped on Palestinians

    The west should exhaust its ammunitions somewhere else other than the Middle East

    I’m ashamed that my government hasn’t cut oil production. We are overdue for another oil embargo

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    This is just Zelenskyi’s government in Kyiv sacrificing everyone else to maintain the notion of a Ukrainian state for the wealthy elite who (coincidentally) live in Kyiv. Look at where the rich are. Look at where most conscripts are from.

    Ukraine is split into the ultra wealthy (Kyiv), the moderately well-off (Dnipro, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kharkiv), and everywhere else (which is remarkably poor). Kyiv has more than double the GDP/capita of the next richest administrative region. This war devastates the eastern economic centers and solidifies power in Kyiv… And for what?

    Ukrainian nationalism have sent hundreds of thousands of men and women to their death for no clear gains. Now, they want to send hundreds of thousands more, because the lives of Ukrainians mean nothing to the people in the white ivory towers of Kyiv. Is the sacrifice of more Ukrainian lives worth it to pursue the Western ideal of crushing Russia (so that the West can collectively focus on the Middle East and China instead)?

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      Ukraine isn’t fighting “crush Russia” or “consolidate power,” they are fighting to exist as a nation. They are fighting to not be part of Russia, and if you claim Russia doesn’t consolidate wealth into a small few while sacrificing their poor as cannon fodder, you’re unabashedly lying.

      Now, do Western nations take advantage of this to severely weaken with no personal loss of life or territory? Absolutely. But just because it benefits the West doesn’t mean it doesn’t also benefit Ukraine.

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        Ukrainian nationalism as a concept is something that has always been a Kyiv-centered idea. This is true stretching back to the Russian Revolution, as well. The concept of Ukraine as an independent state has always been Kyiv’s idea.

        Tell me you don’t understand Russian history without telling me you don’t understand Russian history.

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        They are hopped up on nationalism, which is encouraged by the Western warmongers for their own benefit.

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          You’re right they should just let Russia roll in, murder their population and take their land. #Diplomacy

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            Russia wouldn’t be rolling in if NATO didn’t decide to turn Ukraine into the world’s most Nazified hand-puppet. Y’know, to encircle and exterminate Russia, in direct breach of the Minsk Accords.

            tl;dr Occupied Turtle Island being the same oathbreaking settler trash they’ve been for the last 400 years started this. It could be ended just as easy; but oathbreaking settler trash can’t abide that!

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              What part of which Minsk accords were violated by who? A “direct violation” should be easy to cite. The text of either accord is short as well.

              Also, NATO did not sign the accords so already your claim is weird.

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                All 12 original points of Minsk 1, all 5 points of the followup, and all 13 points of Minsk 2 by Ukraine’s ongoing genocide of Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts and the receipt(and usage) of NATO materiel. NATO is implicated despite not being a signatory due to being involved in the flouting by way of providing aid and comfort to the government that couped Poroshenko on Occupied Turtle Island’s command, delivering them materiel and troops, and by all rights encouraging the ongoing meat-grindering of the region.

                Understand that I will not be arguing with the kinds of people that John Brown would have shot; a number in which I count you, given your cheerleading the murder of one set of Nazi-infiltrated sovereign citizens to attempt and fail to destroy another sovereign nation on behalf of Anglo-American slavemasters.

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      Oh, it’s Ukrainian nationalism causing the deaths is it, not Russia invading? Do you really believe such obvious bullshit and lies?

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        Well, if Ukraine didn’t stubbornly insist on remaining a nation, there wouldn’t be any fighting. Checkmate western scum. /s

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        They had a peace deal laid out in front of them. That peace deal was orders better than the status quo today, nevermind where the war will be a year from now.

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      Uh, because they are all within one nation. They identify as Ukrainians.

      You could transmute your statement to any other nation and it would be the same. Why do the people in Archangelsk fight for Moscow? Why do the people in Wichita fight for Washington?

      Tribalism is an innate feature of the human experience.

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        Despite Taiwan’s charter stating very clearly that they are the rightful government of China, the people there identify as Taiwanese.

        Oh, oops, I don’t think I’m supposed to find contradictions.

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          Wow, you’re right! You have found the one chink in my armor that completely tears down my statement!

          The Romanovs must all be British now.

          The Dalai Lama must be American.

          Lana Peters is Russian. So are all Ukrainians and Tatars that were forced to migrate.

          Pack it up folks, by the decree of Nekandro, you can never be part of multiple tribes or switch ever!

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              I never said that Ukrainians must only identify as Ukrainians, just that it is the reason why folks outside of Kyiv choose to fight. Do not put words into my mouth.

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                Folks out of Kyiv are being forcibly conscripted right now. Jesus, look at Ukrainian social media. It’s bleak out there.

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      Russia started this war shooting elementary schools with tanks and launching rocket strikes on hospitals. Do you really think this is just about “the western ideal” of crushing Russia? If you want to see why Ukraine is fighting so hard to not become part of Russia, just look at how shitty Russia has been to its soldiers and people during this war.

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        Do you really think this is just about “the western ideal” of crushing Russia?

        It obviously is. This is what the Anglo Empire’s wanted since the end of World War 2. This is how they’ve been maneuvering NATO ever since it was headed up by the Nazis they saved from Nuremberg and Mossad. Donetsk and Luhansk voted democratically to join Russia; so it’s kind of showing how hypocritical you settlers are about democracy, considering how much materiel came from the West to genocide those who did choose Russia.

        “No no no, democracy only counts when we cosign it”-headasses, willing to coup and genocide anybody if it means your order perpetuates. It frankly sickens me you’d try and bullshit that it could be anything else; but I rly don’t know why I expect any better from settler stains.

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      Just replace Ukraine in this post with russia and you have the true facts. Incredible this projection thing, always the same with fascists like you, always blame others of what you do and want.

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        It’s a war for Moscow that nobody outside of Moscow cares about? At least Moscow hasn’t completely decimated the demographic pyramid of Russia.

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      ukraine has put off counter attacks because the loss of life isnt worth it, they wait so they can get better equipment. compare that to russia who uses it soldiers as meatgrinders

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    Ukraine is never going to win this war no matter how hard western libs keep praying.

    This is the fate of any country that sells itself out to the imperial core including the EU states who facilitated this bloodbath instead of peace and diplomacy.

    I hope Russia does take over the whole of Ukraine because I don’t trust a Ukraine left to its own devices after this humiliating defeat.

    Who’s ready for the Ukranian 9/11?

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        I love how it’s always gotta be “Russian troll farms” with you settlers. It can never be your own sick-and-tired countrymen. Can never be any of the masses of subjects-of-empire you’ve gentrified, redlined, and incarcerated out of house and home. Can never be the rest of a world sick of Five-Eyes genocides.

        It’s always gotta be a faceless troll farm with you genocide-addicted, responsibility-lacking, settler-assed Devils; 'cause if you can just sideline all resistance as ‘paid-for troll farm posting’, you don’t have to do any kind of self-reflection. You don’t have to stop and demand better of your leaders. You don’t have to stop and question if everything you and your ancestors have been told and have been doing for the past 400 years has been wrong.

        I can’t wait for your comeuppance to land. I really can’t. I don’t even care if I’m caught in the crossfire anymore, I want to see you collectively catch what you have coming that bad. Please get Replaced already.

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            The Ukrainians are fighting for their own country. Russia is the fool who thought it could waltz into a foreign country armed to the teeth and not expect resistance.

            Typical locust ignoring democratic self-determination when it suits them. This never needed to happen if Ukraine didn’t decide to blow away Donetsk and Luhansk for what? For voting to separate from Ukraine and become Russian. Democratically. Fucking wasteman, John Brown would’ve ventilated you too. Stay out of my inbox if that’s what you honestly believe, I don’t need more techbro MIC-polishers clogging it up.

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      Usually you fascist shills are a bit more creative in lying, you reek of desperation.

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      That’s pretty much what the non-western corporate media reports. But I learned that no one in the west is ready to face it.

      In Arabic we do say المتغطي بأمريكا عريان so I’m not surprised Ukraine is being hollowed out by the US and left out naked in the cold

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        “Getting hollowed out and left in the cold” has been Occupied Turtle Island’s modus operandi for what, the past 50 years if not longer? If I were to sit here and list out every country that the Five-Eyed Empire has couped, vassalized, weaponized, then cut loose, often with either a SEAL team or a drone-based execution of their leaders, I’d be here literally all fucking day.

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        https://intellinews.com/russian-sanctions-boomerang-effect-means-a-year-of-stagnation-for-europe-in-2024-308348/

        Russian sanctions boomerang effect means a year of stagnation for Europe in 2024

        The boomerang effect of the Russian sanctions on the EU member states is having a mixed impact. Germany, France and Italy are worst affected as the pain from the changes in energy and input supplies impact their economies, dragging them down into recession, while the less dependent on Russia like Spain and Portugal are already showing signs of recovery, according to ING analysis.

        Overall Europe is headed for a year of stagnation that could be worse than in 2023. By contrast Russia reported growth of 3.5%, according to the preliminary results. And on January 18, an ebullient Russian President Vladimir Putin said that growth could come in at over 4% after revisions. The Russian Ministry of Finance (MinFin) also revised its GDP growth outlook for 2024 up to 3.5%, much improved from the earlier Central Bank of Russia (CBR) forecasts of around 2% for this year.

        Currently, sanctions seem to be doing more harm to Europe than they are to Russia.