That’s really bizarre because why does America have a say in Russo-Ukrainian affairs? Shouldn’t a ceasefire be determined by the two parties not currently at a ceasefire?
Somebody who is good at geopolitics explain
Don’t know why the United States would have any say in Putin pulling the Russian paramilitary out of Ukraine. Ceasefire is simple, back your ass out of Ukraine, back to 2013 borders.
Why would Russia ever accept that though? Ukraine’s chance of reclaiming Crimea militarily is extremely low.
They said that about keeping them at bay, keeping control of the black sea and countless other things.
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oh for fucks sake, putins russia has never once ‘negotiated’ in good faith. they just use it to buy time to resupply and relocate. every peace deal theyve made, THEY broke. ukraine gets to decide when it’s time to talk. the US cant stop them
In bad faith to buy time, you say? That’s rich: Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up. It’s almost as if every accusation is a confession.
Zelensky the Zionist asked for a WW3 last year. Russia has always discussed the Minsk agreements for negotiations, but since Maidan CIA coup in 2013, Ukraine has not been a sovereign state but a US puppet state.
Was it conditional? Or was it just a straight up offer of a temporary cease fire?
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I question why the US is doing the rejection rather than Ukraine (and similarly, why the UK rejected the last peace talks…)
The article you posted: “The Americans refuse to talk unless the Ukrainians are also invited”
You, for some reason: “Why is America deciding for Ukraine?”
There’s more expiring guns to be given away yet, and more Ukrainian property to be bought at the firesale*
It’s one of Putin’s strategies: To make it look like it is a conflict between the US/NATO and Russia, not between Ukraine and Russia. He also tries to diminish Ukrainian sovereignity by making it appear as if the US is the overlord, as if Ukraine is an American puppet. It’s all about making Ukraine look like it isn’t its own country. That’s why we get those bullshit historic lessons by that pathetic man-child.
Didn’t read the article you posted eh?
From the article:
A U.S. official, speaking in Washington on condition of anonymity, said that the U.S. has not engaged in any back channel discussions with Russia and that Washington had been consistent in not going behind the back of Ukraine.
“sources” eh? more like lies manufactured wholesale
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Yeah. I suppose this is also bidens fault. /s
So possible options as I see them:
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Biden’s USA is stubborn and nihilistic and just wants to kill as many Ukrainians and Russians as possible before Trump comes in and forces Ukraine to accept a treaty
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USA (and Ukraine) knows that Putin hasn’t changed its demands at all so any talks are pointless
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USA (and Ukraine) knows that Russia is losing and doesn’t want to negotiate
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Biden forgot how to use a phone and is too embarrased to ask
I’m personally going with 2 with a sprinkle of 4 and 1. In my happy dreams, 3.
The other, more likely option, is that Biden’s USA isn’t ‘stupid and nihilistic’, they just see the continuation of the war to be in their interest.
Why are so many people here from Lemmy.ml and Hexbear assuming Putin and Russia offered an amicable ceasefire? When has Putin EVER shown he would ever want such a thing?
You people have worms in your brains.
Why does Russia feel the need to defend itself from this?
Should they just give in to US hegemony like Europe did?
Why would Russia change its demands? It’s winning. If the other side is winning, you want to negotiate because the terms will only get worse.
That would imply that Ukraine and USA should be asking for negotiations.
That’s right, they should be. They aren’t doing so because it’s in the interest of the U.S. to continue the war, and the Ukrainian government more or less exists at the pleasure of the U.S.
Winning? By whose metric lol
It’s propaganda. There are communist extremists in this thread trying to convince everyone the US is evil and using Ukraine as a bargaining chip.
I don’t even disagree that the US has done, and will continue to do evil stuff… But this isn’t one of those times.
The US is refusing to deal in back channels with Russia, and are insisting Ukraine be involved. From the article:
A U.S. official, speaking in Washington on condition of anonymity, said that the U.S. has not engaged in any back channel discussions with Russia and that Washington had been consistent in not going behind the back of Ukraine.
Why would a communist parrot the propaganda of a right wing oligarchy invading another country?
Oh right, hexbear.
The one thing that the Liberals have decided to take a stand on, “Russia Bad!”, to the point that they’ll keep the war machine churning through Ukranian bodies until its some other administration’s responsibility to turn off the US money spigot. Then they’ll squeal about it being a Putin Puppet’s doing or some shit.
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Update: it would seem that people disagree with me, fair enough, but perhaps somebody would care to tell me what is wrong with my theory?
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I’m going to try with a crazy conspiracy theory(but the crazy ones are the more entertaining ones, right?):Putin’s investment in the western defense industry drove the invasion of Ukraine to stimulate European NATO countries’ military investments.
Reasoning:
- Russia’s actions towards Eastern NATO countries and the invasion of Ukraine could be strategic moves to encourage European NATO nations to bolster their military investments.
- Sweden and Finland’s potential NATO membership could further incentivize their procurement of NATO-aligned weaponry.
- Other Western European countries are already allocating significant resources to military investments.
Considering Occam’s razor, is it simpler to assume Putin, heavily invested in the defense industry, initiated conflict for profit, or believe in complex internal political motives?
but perhaps somebody would care to tell me what is wrong with my theory?
I’ll give it a shot.
First off, any payoff from Russia investing in NATO defense is massively offset by the untold damage this war is doing to Russia’s economy and population. This still holds true if it’s just putin’s investment, although if he were really bent on profit from that he probably could. But there are other, more lucrative and less damaging avenues to profit for a guy with as much money as he has.
Secondly, the war isn’t pointless. Occams razor suggests the simplest reason is often the truth. The simplest reason is that Crimea provides Russia a western seaport that isn’t frozen half of the year, and taking eastern Ukraine provides a path to that port.
Thank you for telling why I’m wrong :)
I agree with you partly on your first point. Putin has other ways of making his fortune. BUT that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t also do this. Maybe it’s not the primary reason, but if Putin doesn’t care about Russia or the Russian people, then money could be a motivator.
On your second point IDK though. Russia still has a pretty large black sea port in Novorossiysk to the south east of Crimea. That port is on the mainland, has a rail connection, and doesn’t rely on an explosion prone bridge. Sevastopol may be an important port, but important enough to go to war over? Besides, the black sea ports aren’t the only warm water ports west of the Urals. Not counting the unconnected port in Murmansk, on the Baltic sea there’s Kaliningrad and the three large ports near Saint Petersburg. On wikipedia’s list of largest ports in the Baltic sea, the three at Saint Petersburg are in the top four.
So why go to war for a fifth port? Was Novorossiysk operating at capacity? I dont buy it. The war wasn’t for a path to Sevastopol alone.
