• Sotuanduso@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    By default, you don’t deserve to be alive. But you can’t earn it either. It’s a gift.

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      9 months ago

      More like a punishment, except it’s not even deserved. There is way more suffering in life than pleasure, it is immoral to bring someone into this world, and you have absolutely no responsibility to your parents for doing that, rather the opposite.

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        9 months ago

        Your mileage may vary. Yeah, there are a lot of bad things in life, but that doesn’t mean life as a whole is bad. You don’t get to make that call when there are so many people who enjoy life. Not even if you define life’s pleasures as merely relief from life’s needs and strains.

        To be clear, I’m not saying you should be having kids. You’re fully within your rights to judge the circumstances of your own life and where your kid would end up to decide if it’s right or wrong. Obviously it’d be wrong to have a kid in the freezing arctic with no hope of escape or survival for more than a few years. But you can’t say having kids is unequivocally wrong for everyone in every circumstance.

        And if you truly believe life is wholly bad, that might be a symptom of depression.

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        9 months ago

        Which is why it’s a good thing suicide is a human right we all deserve and have available to us, should we wish to take it.

        I agree we don’t owe anyone else anything, which is why is see suicide as a right.

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        9 months ago

        There is way more suffering in life than pleasure

        If you (or anyome out there reading this) truly feel this way, please seek professional psychological assistance. At the very least make attempts to find a better living situation for yourself, if it’s your current conditions that are driving this belief.

        This is blatantly disordered thinking, a sign of trauma, or a sign that there is something seriously wrong with the immediate conditions you are living in.

        I’m not talking about the general doom spiral of the world as conditions, but things directly around you day to day. If you can’t live your day to day without awareness of the general doom spiral, see what choices you can make to limit your exposure to it (in short: stop spending so much time online and reading articles about how fucked everything is).

        There are always choices available to you to improve the world around you and your position in it, no matter by how small a margin. I’ve been where you’re at, and things don’t have to suck forever.

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          9 months ago

          I don’t want to misrepresent what you’re saying, so correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying that there is really is much more suffering in life than pleasure, and that the internet simply makes you aware of that fact, and that to improve your mental health you should try and forget about it and shut your eyes to the horrors of this world - but that they really still exist?

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        9 months ago

        Is it a Hallmark card platitude because it’s short or because it sounds cheery? Why can’t it be actual philosophy? Logically, there’s no way for you to earn a shot at life before you’re alive. Since it’s always given undeserved, earning it is entirely irrelevant. There’s no way to earn it, even by living perfectly. If you could earn it, you could earn a second life. I’m not talking about “oh wow, you’re such a good person” kind of earning it. Being a good person won’t earn you the throne of England either.

        A good thing given undeserved is a gift.