Pinky promise I’ll stop fighting you if you just let me have all your stuff and stop asking other people for help.
You found about this war 8 years after the Ukrainians began bombing children. You will never come to grips with reality. I don’t pity people like you any longer. 👍
If Ukraine wanted a deal that was in their favor, they would have implemented the Minsk agreements that they signed, and most of the war would have been averted and they would have been able to keep Donbas. But for Azov it was always about ethnic cleansing Eastern Ukraine, so even that was a nonstarter.
The war will have to end with a peace deal or the destruction of one of the parties. Russia is doing fine while UA is falling apart.
What do you think is the best option for the people that live in Ukraine?
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If this was the deal after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula, I could see it being ok. However, this is the second invasion in a decade.
What keeps Russia from invading a decade later?
Not having Ukraine join NATO while saying “hey we might give ukraine nukes that could hit Moscow in 4 minutes”
Taking everything you say at face value, the options for Ukraine are:
- Take a deal that maybe you can’t trust, but it at least gives you time to breathe.
- Keep fighting, and with the war going how it is eventually lose more than what you’ve already lost.
- Attempt to draw other states into the conflict so that you have a shot at what might be considered a victory, likely years more down the road under the best of circumstances.
There is no justification for 2, and 3 is highly unlikely – if other states haven’t entered the war already, they’re not going to do so now.
They will.
Russia is running on fumes and Ukraine is continuing to bolster up. Russia needs time to reup
This has been the narrative since shortly after the war began. All that’s happened since is Russia has slowly advanced.
shouldn’t they have won like a year ago at this point? lol
Pick one: Russia is running on fumes, or Russia should have won a year ago.
The coherent opinion here is that it’s a slow, grinding war and the side that has lost more and more territory as it continued will continue to do so.
Well, that is currently changing as Ukraine is now able to target military targets inside Russia, disabling their supply lines. Ukraine has been restricted to use the supplied weapons systems they got. They should be able to use the full force of these weapons and drive the Russians out. NATO is being way too restrictive with an invading county bordering on our territory. Russia has shown they are not to be trusted. We should supply Ukraine with a few tactical nukes, for defense, and see what happens when the kid that’s been bullied suddenly also has the same big guns.
You stupid motherfuckers have been saying this shit since the war began without even the slightest bit of realization that Russia is an actual industrialized, manufacturing power, while the west has shipped almost all of its actual production to China and SEA
Ukraine is literally constantly running out of shit despite the entirety of NATO dumping military supplies on them and they’re the ones conscripting 40+ year old men but lol “Russia is running on fumes”
“Why hasn’t Russia won yet” because they’re winning, stupid, they are winning a war of attrition, the fact that they’re winning doesn’t mean they can just magically teleport troops into Kiev and declare Game Over. This isn’t some fucking paradox game, moron. The winning move is to keep grinding Ukraine into dust, not whatever dumbass shit you think Russia needs to be doing to win the war.
I can’t stress enough how fucking stupid you are if you think Ukraine’s current conscription reality is in any way indicative of them “bolstering up”
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This isn’t a serious proposal and it’s not even really meant for Ukraine to even consider. It’s meant for Ukraine’s Western allies who will start getting bored and antsy and may start applying pressure on Ukraine to look for a deal. Putin knows he just needs to outlast fickle Western governments, or wait until Russian-backed right-wing governments get into power, then Ukraine will lose its support and likely crumble.
Putin is an idiot for seeking a truce. The only way this war ends is with the total demilitarization of not only Ukraine, but all of western Europe.
StalinPutin shouldn’t have stopped atBerlinBakhmut.The only way to end this war is to retreat from the war, stop fighting and killing and just chill already. But that will never be the case with a maniac like Putin and his minions in charge.
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Putin is so transparent. Let us keep what we have stolen and don’t enter into any type of agreement for mutual defense and we will stop shooting until we get our forces built back up.
