• blarth@thelemmy.club
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    3 months ago

    What? Ukrainians are dying to Russian aggression in Ukraine. What twisted world are you people living in?

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      3 months ago

      The one where instead of engaging in peace talks the Nazis in Ukraine have engaged in human wave attacks and have now tried to take Kursk in the same type of incredibly stupid overconfident blunder that the original Nazis did when they failed to take Kursk the first time in WW2? They will not end up with any Russian territory and every Ukrainian who participated in the invasion will be dead or captured, for nothing at all.

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      3 months ago

      What twisted world are you people living in?

      Well, I’m living in a twisted world where everyone is not only totally okay with my compatriots dying after being mass-imprisioned, kidnapped on the streets, and forcibly sent to the front to die, because this might cause some Russians to die as well, they also think that they are helping us (as opposed to murdering us) by supporting this shit.
      WBY?

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      3 months ago

      Maybe don’t go around making inflammatory geopolitical comments in public if you only just started paying attention to this conflict in 2022

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        Nah, I’ve been paying attention to the Russian aggression in Ukraine for much longer that that.

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            Yeah a thing the CIA did in 1953 definitely explains modern Ukrainian politics. Clearly they planted sleepers that had children who had children (real potent Nazi sperm) that were activated 60 years later to phony up the Euromaden uprising.

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              Yeah a thing the CIA did in 1953 definitely explains modern Ukrainian politics.

              Saying this with dripping irony makes you look so fucking stupid holy shit

              Imagine. Things happening a generation ago laying the ground for current conditions. Preposterous.

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          At what point did this become Russia’s aggression? Certainly after the fall of the Soviet Union by western backed coup (before which Ukraine and Russia were literally the same country). Did Russia’s aggression start when NATO aggressively expanded into the former Eastern bloc after promising not to as a major condition of the USSR’s dissolution? How about when Russia subjected its own population to devastating austerity, resulting in untold death and destruction, all in a genuine effort to liberalize and assimilate into NATO themselves? Was that Russia being too aggressive? Or did Russia’s aggression not start until after the west continued to wage economic warfare anyway, demonstrating NATO never had any intention to let Russia coexist peacefully on the world stage regardless? How aggressive was it of Russia when the west helped to orchestrate the 2014 Maidan coup in Ukraine to install a rabidly anti-Russian fascist government on one of Russia’s largest land borders? I guess Russia was being too aggressive when Ukraine decided to ban the Russian language and shell Russian speaking civilians in Eastern Ukraine for literally years and years in violation of the Minsk agreements, resulting in massive pro-Russian separatist movements forming to fight off Banderite pogroms.

          I think I get it now, after exhausting literally all available diplomatic avenues to peace, aggressive Russia started this conflict out of nowhere by supporting the cause of the breakaway republics invading poor innocent Ukraine, wow can’t believe a country would go to war like this at the drop of a hat! Irrational aggressive Russia should just take their troops home and surrender all territory back to Ukraine, a country losing a war so badly it’s on the verge of collapse.

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      3 months ago

      Welcome to the world of looking at every single world event through the lens of “America bad” and literally only that

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        3 months ago

        Which country has over 800 external military bases again?

        By comparison, all other countries combined have less than 20.

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          3 months ago

          This is exactly what I mean. America’s overseas bases do not justify invading Ukraine. If anything Russia is making every Eastern European country that already has those bases feel like having them is beneficial.

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            Ohh I see now, the US doesn’t have enough bases then in your opinion, and countries need to beg them to build and expand more.

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              ahh yeah that’s literally exactly what I said, thanks. Why bother commenting that? I did not even slightly imply that America’s overseas bases were a good thing. I said that they don’t justify invading Ukraine and that Russia is making its neighbours want American bases.