• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    You do understand we can make loads of those about communism as well?

    Capitalism has caused untold horrors.

    Have you seen what horrors communism has caused, though? Ever tried looking at history? Maybe read up on the great Chinese famine? Maybe read up on how communism started in Russia? You know, maybe watch the movie “the Chekist”, great movie for those under the illusion that communism is a great thing. If your stomach can survive that movie, then yeah, you’re a diehard who is perfect for the next regime

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      3 months ago

      Maybe read up on the genocide of the native Americans

      Maybe read up on American chattel slavery

      Maybe read up on the Ludlow Massacre

      Maybe read up on the Tulsa Race Massacre

      Notice how all yours are perpetuated by differing countries. All mine are from America. Capitalism is poison, and you are its catalyst.

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      3 months ago

      You do realise none of the examples you brought up are actual communism. Theyre all bad attempts that were taken advantage of.

      Thats like saying religion in general is bad because christianity ruined it

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        You do realise none of the examples you brought up are actual communism. Theyre all bad attempts that were taken advantage of.

        The PRC and the USSR are and were real examples of Actually Existing Socialism. They absolutely ran into problems, and no Communist can simply look away and say they didn’t Communism hard enough. That goes directly against the Dialectical Materialist theory of knowledge.

        The PRC and USSR also brought democratization, doubled life expectancies, 99%+ literacy rates, ended famine, and drastically reduced wealth inequality. As much as we must learn from their failures, we must learn from their myriad successes.

        I highly encourage you to read Blackshirts and Reds.

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      Authoritarianism != Communism

      Communism is about the power of the working class, seizing the means of production, and self governance. No government has effectively put into practice communist practices because the concept of government itself is contrary to communism.

      There’s been a decades long movement in the US to demonise communism (and socialism) in favour of capitalism. There used to be overtly communist political groups in America.

      Anyway, it’s an interesting read. I highly recommend you read up about communism and what it stands for. Also capitalism because we’re all more or less living in a crony capitalist world.

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        Communism is about the power of the working class, seizing the means of production, and self governance. No government has effectively put into practice communist practices because the concept of government itself is contrary to communism.

        This is incorrect, and I encourage you to read more, specifically Socialism: Utopian and Scientific as well as The State and Revolution. Communism is not about “self governance” or being anti-government, that’s Anarchism, and thus the source of a large schism between Anarchists and Communists. The concept of government is not anti-Communist, and AES states were true representations of Communist ideology guiding the state.

        Principly, when Communists say Communism will abolish the state, they say it will wither away, and change from a tool one class uses to oppress others into an “administration of things,” ie elections, government, and so forth are retained, perhaps minimized over a long period of time.

        There’s been a decades long movement in the US to demonise communism (and socialism) in favour of capitalism. There used to be overtly communist political groups in America.

        For what it’s worth, there still are, like PSL (running for President) and FRSO. The old CPUSA still exists as well, though it is Reformist to the core and thus is revisionist.