• Skua@kbin.earth
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    2 months ago

    That seems rather at odds with the opening paragraph of the article, which is explicitly saying NATO wants Canada to have better domestic production and planning

      • Skua@kbin.earth
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        If Canada were to increase domestic military production, how would that make it more dependent on the US in your view?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Canada is not exactly going to be breaking away from the US regardless how much military production it does. The countries that might get ideas of becoming independent are in Europe, and as long as Europe doesn’t have a serious military industry of its own it will stay dependent on NATO which is run by the US.

          • Skua@kbin.earth
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            2 months ago

            If NATO was disbanded tomorrow, Canada would still have to work with the fact that its neighbour is a lot bigger than it. It seems to me that even if it cannot meaningfully escape American influence altogether, at least not for so long as America has as much power as it does, there are still always degrees of independence. So how is NATO wanting an increase in Canadian domestic military production a move to make Canada more dependent on the US? Or, if in your view it makes no difference whatsoever, how is this request relevant to it at all?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              2 months ago

              That’s my whole point, Canada is already entirely dependent on the US. That can’t change because Canada has a far smaller population than the US or Russia. No other countries are in a position to threaten Canada. The point isn’t to make Canada more dependent on the US, the point is to keep Europe dependent on the US as I’ve already explained in the previous reply and you ignored.

              • Skua@kbin.earth
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                I ignored the part about Europe because the position of “NATO exists to keep Europe dependent on the US” is just as much at odds with the article’s opening of “NATO says it wants its members to develop national plans to bolster the capacity of their individual defence industry sectors” as it was when it was about Canada.

                You said “The whole point is to make the vassals dependent on the US militarily which allows the US to control the politics of these countries.” I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to be asking about how this relates to Canada when you said “these countries” on an article that is primarily about Canada, and you’re now saying “The point isn’t to make Canada more dependent on the US”

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  And now I’ve clarified for you specifically what I meant. The original comment I was replying to was asking how a military alliance could function when all members aren’t pitching in. And I’ve explained what that translates to in practice. If you have hard time understanding that, then I really can’t help you further.

                  • Skua@kbin.earth
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    This only leads us back to my initial question. If the point of NATO is to keep the smaller members dependent on the US, why do you think NATO is asking the smaller members to increase domestic production? If you think that any Canadian effort can only possibly be inconsequential, fine, that’s a matter of opinion, but according to you that is not necessarily the case for Europe (or at least, some European countries). So is NATO intentionally undermining its own purpose by doing this?

            • stringere@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              2 months ago

              Canada would still have to work with the fact that its neighbour is a lot bigger than it.

              Canada occupies a total area of about 3,855,100 sq miles making it the second biggest nation in the world while the United States occupies an area of approximately 3,796,742 sq miles.

              • Skua@kbin.earth
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                2 months ago

                By “bigger” here I should have more explicitly made clear that I meant in population and economic terms. A bunch of largely empty land is not that significant in regards to the international balance of power in North America.

        • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          2 months ago

          Because it’s a smoke screen to hide the fact that really don’t!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!