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the warning for future tech founders is clear: Be careful when picking your top-level domain. Physical history is never as separate from our digital future as we like to think.
Kinda ironic this is published to a website with a
.toccTLD for the Kingdom of Tonga.My former company had a .bb domain for internal services because it rhymed with the name. We had constant outages whenever a storm was hitting Barbados…
Interesting, that’s not something I ever thought about. I just looked up the nameservers for
.bb:;; ANSWER SECTION: bb. 86400 IN NS ns5.nic.bb. bb. 86400 IN NS ns3.nic.bb. bb. 86400 IN NS ns2.nic.bb. bb. 86400 IN NS ns1.nic.bb. bb. 86400 IN NS ns4.nic.bb. bb. 86400 IN NS ns6.nic.bb.It seems like
ns1.nic.bbdoesn’t resolve, and for 2-6, they’re all in either64.68.192.0/20or64.119.192.0/20, so it does look like a small concentration in root nameservers which could be unavailable in a storm.Some times someone’s clever joke can have unforeseen consequences. There must be a razor for that. Or at least a xkcd comic.
Kind of good in a way. It was always colonialism for tech companies to be using it anyway, when it wasn’t meant for them.
I mean IANA or whatever literally made up a standard where two letter TLDs were reserved for countries even if they aren’t how those countries refer to themselves, see gr for Greece. I’m assuming .io just stands for Indian Ocean in this case, which seems like probably not how the chagosans self identify. Then you have countries like Montenegro that have .me and realized it means something in English so capitalized on it by licensing a company to resell .me domains.
I don’t think I have any particular point other than I think it’s dumb to have a system of artificial scarcity be the only alternative to having to remember the IP of every damn site I want to use.
I’m assuming .io just stands for Indian Ocean in this case
British Indian Ocean Territory, it was just shortened to .io so it would fit into the naming scheme.
If IANA has all two letter domains reserved for countries, than why is there no .uk?
That’s a great question and the answer can be found in the wikipedia entry for the .uk domain.
In a nutshell the volunteer “Naming Committee” setup back in 1985 established a rule that entities needed to register into specific subdomains based on entity type such as .co, where the .co part stood for “Company”. They did this to make managing registrations easier and to provide an “at a glance” way to see what kind of website you were visiting (commercial, government, charity, etc). The “Naming Committee” was extremely strict about ensuring that domains were registered to a specific entity and in the correct subdomain.
By the mid-90s the volunteer “Naming Committee” was entirely overwhelmed by the sheer volume of domains being registered so that volunteer group was replaced by Nominet UK. Nominet didn’t open the .uk TLD to registration until 2014 and by then the subdomain thing (.co.uk) was so embedded into the United Kingdom’s internet structure that it had become tradition and NOT using was confusing to many people.
There’s more subdomains than just .co as well and both wikipedia articles I linked list them.
tl;dr .uk absolutely exists in the UK, it’s just used differently than almost anywhere else in the world.
Canada uses gc.ca for federal government sites, and I think every province gets their own, too, like .bc.ca (but I don’t know if they all use them.)
I didn’t know about Canada and after thinking about it for a minute the United States does something similar for the States with .gov. Many, if not all, States have their own subdomain such as wyo.gov, montana.gov, and nebraska.gov.
Honestly it’s always seemed wrong and somewhat confusing that non-country specific TLDs, such as .gov, are dedicated to the United States.
There is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.uk
There’s no .uk and there never was!
looks at your instance domain
Carry on
i’ve seen a lot of .uk sites around
Unfortunately the IANA decided to kill the TLD altogether, but the Chagos islanders have been asking to get control of it themselves so they can receive the registration fees. This was sort of the worst of both worlds: they could have given the Chagos islands it’s own TLD, or given control of .io to the Chagos islanders, but instead they just said, “you’re not sovereign, so you get nothing”.
edit: I’m reading elsewhere that it’s not yet decided for sure whether to kill the TLD, but no one seems to think it will be given to the Chagossians, unfortunately.
I don’t get why they killed it. some regional areas have their own TLD. .cat for Catalonia, for example.
Two letters TLD like
.ioare ISO country codes. Catalonia’s.catis a generic TLD in comparison. Since.iostands for the British Indian Ocean Territory and Chagos Island isn’t going to be ‘separate’ anymore by becoming part of Mauritius, IANA’s logic is that the ccTLD has to be retired. That.suis still around after the collapse of USSR isn’t a valid argument for them.ok. I was not aware the two letter TLD were more restricted than the others. thanks!
Technically, they haven’t yet. In the past they’ve sometimes transitioned ownership of country-code TLDs over (like the Soviet Union’s .su to Russia). I think they just don’t want to wade into the debate over the Chagos Islands in general.
i’d rather they return chagos to the islanders
I don’t really know anything about Chagos, but is that really what the islanders want? A quick google suggests the islanders might find it difficult to agree.
Most micro island nations just aren’t viable as a sovereign nation in 2024. They need air travel, health services, telecommunications, building materials, food imports, education, et cetera. Sadly they just aren’t able to produce anything of any value with which to pay for all of those things.
In many cases they end up trading their sovereignty for political positions. It looks like there’s already a detention centre for sri lankans in Chagos. China will happily pay then millions a year for them not to recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state, which is kinda ironic.
Nauru is a fairly interesting island nation. They sold the rights to their phosphate (bird poo) 80 (?) some years ago, and after it was extracted they were left with a moon scape. Sadly they squandered the money with some comically bad investments, including a broadway production IIRC. Health outcomes are pretty terrible.
It looks like there’s already a military base in Chagos, so I guess that’s something they can trade on.
Another problem with sovereignty is migration rights. If you’re born somewhere like that you would absolutely want the opportunity to go to university in Australia or UK or similar.
i think at the very least the chagossians would like to be included in negotiations instead of having their islands traded between the UK and Mauritius without their involvement
Yes. I think it would be hard to find anyone who thinks chagossians should not be consulted in determining what happens with their island.
The stark reality is that it’s probably just not possible, in any meaningful way.
I have first hand experience in this type of negotiation with community / minority group trying to navigate the best outcomes for them with their limited resources, although of course nothing so dramatic as deciding what to do with an island.
The first problem you encounter is that their is very limited governance within the group, or no governance, or extraordinarily poor governance which is acting against the best interests of the group. Straight off the bat you can end up mediating internal disputes which might be generational feuds. For chagossians, you might ask who gets consulted and are they reasonable representatives of the group.
The next problem you encounter is that the demands of the group may very likely be unreasonable and unachievable, and the group might become hostile if they are unmet. For example you might think possible outcomes in this circumstances are stay with UK, join Mauritius, or become a sovereign nation. What happens if the group demands a fourth option, a new island, in the mid latitudes, unpopulated, potential for local fishing industry, et cetera. You can’t really negotiate with a group that would make such a demand.
Another problem is that, well, the stark reality is that maybe the Chagossians don’t really have any meaningful options. What’s the point of negotiating if the only potential outcome is being subsumed by Mauritius and accepting whatever they will provide.
In addition, no matter how much you consult with them, there will always be someone that says they weren’t consulted and they’re bitter because they didn’t receive their new tropical island.
Finally, if things need to be resolved in a timely manner, then involving the Chagossians isn’t going to achieve that. The only option is to hand them over to Mauritius and let them manage all of these issues that have been simmering away since the dawn of time.
Corporations with loads of money will ensure that this domain will simply get reclassified.
Can they do that? I thought all two letter TLDs were reserved for ccTLDs only. It’ll be interesting to see how things play out.
Perhaps not an actual reclassification since, until now, all two letter TLDs have been exclusively for countries. But for the right price, I imagine convincing them to maintain the two character TLD… for “posterity” … and… “backwards compatibility”…
coughs, clears throat, and pushes 💰 across the table
…would make sense.
😏
“Oh, perhaps we could assign it to the actual Indian Ocean, as that’s quite a persuasive 💰 argument 💰.”
“… Or perhaps NASA would like to administer it on behalf of the aliens on Io until we make contact…”
I know it’s not the same thing, but the corporate TLDs like “.google” make me irrationally irritated. You think you’re too good for “.com”?
☝🏽
I wish that naked TLDs were a thing. Like https://com/ or https://london/
Or more likely, they will just move the domain to be a generic TLD instead of a country code TLD, due to it’s popularity in the tech space.
For people who haven’t been following this story, the Chagos islanders don’t want companies to stop using the .io domain, they want to receive the registration fees, which is much more important to them than having the TLD go away.
Unfortunately, because the territory is going to Mauritius instead of to the Chagos islanders, IANA is killing the TLD entirely (since Mauritius already has their own country TLD).
You guys 'member agar.com? /s
