I was replying to comments the other day on my post and I felt like something that I stumbled on was worth pointing out in a post, because it’s kind of encouraging (in a way).
Short version: Of all the consensus top 10 QBs people would probably argue are better than Trevor right now, Trevor has the worst offensive line, 2nd worst recieving core, and 4th worst rushing yards per attempt from his team. The only QB who really comes close in having as bad a supporting cast is Stroud, and props to him for looking insane despite the line. I skimmed a few “o line ranking lists” from different sources and went with the most recent one I could find.
I don’t really know which site does the best job at this stuff, so I tried to just get the most recent one. I couldn’t use PFF because I don’t have a sub, but the top of their list still kinda lined up with the point I’m trying to make. Here’s the one I’m using (https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/2023-nfl-midseason-offensive-line-rankings/)
So first of all, I’d say in no particular order, people right now could make a case that some or all of these guys are better than Trevor:
Mahomes, Burrow, Stroud, Lamar, Hurts, Allen, Herbert, Purdy, Tua, and maybe Dak or Jared Goff.
So let’s take those names and run down the strength of their offensive lines. (Format QB -> #O-line rank)
O-line
Mahomes -> #5
Burrow -> #12
Stroud -> #15
Lamar -> #4
Hurts -> #1
Allen -> #13
Herbert -> #7
Dak -> #6
Tua -> #10
Purdy -> #11
Trevor -> #20
If you look at Oline rankings BELOW Trevor, I think it’s safe to say you can’t really find any QB people are trying to claim is top 10 right now. These are the teams with Olines below the Jags:
Saints, Broncos, Cardinals, Titans, Panthers, Bears, Steelers, Patriots, Commanders, Rams, Raiders, Giants. Also, coincidentally, I think the Steelers are the only team with a sort of good record in that bunch below us.
What about receivers? I used PFF for this one (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings). Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any credible looking mid-season lists. They were all from random blogs I’d never heard of, so this is a pre-season ranking. Format: QB name --> #recieving-Core ranking
Mahomes -> #11
Burrow -> #1
Stroud -> #32 (Props to Stroud, lol. I’m guessing this group is better than they expected, considering his passing numbers. Or maybe he’s just that good)
Lamar -> #15
Hurts -> #2
Allen -> #9
Herbert -> #12
Dak -> #6
Tua -> #3
Purdy -> #4
Trevor -> #16 (Gotta imagine our group ranks lower now with Ridley being a ghost this season. But expectations weren’t even that high and we’ve definitely sailed below them)
Once again, with the exception of Stroud (seriously, is this guy the next Mahomes or something?) he’s at the bottom of the list. Worst Oline of the “top QBs” and 2nd worst recieving core. Although I’m not quite sure how Stroud’s core is getitng such bad rankings if he’s throwing for 400 yards every game. Even if he’s inflating their value, you’d think they would be rated higher.
Anyway, last main part of offense is running game. I haven’t looked yet. Maybe this is where Trevor has an edge over the other guys?
I couldn’t find a great ranking list for this one so I just fiddled with the table on nfl.com stats. (https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/offense/rushing/2023/reg/all)
Going through all the stats, we’re mid to below middle in all the good stuff. We’re actually pretty low on rushing fumbles, which is nice. But our yard per attempt/total rushing yards are around the middle of the league or worse. If I just try to keep it simple and use yards per attempt as the most “total” efficiency stat, it looks like the rankings would go like this.
Mahomes -> #16
Burrow -> #30
Stroud -> #29 (Props to Stroud, lol. I’m guessing this group is better than they expected, considering his passing numbers. Or maybe he’s just that good)
Lamar -> #2
Hurts -> #18
Allen -> #6
Herbert -> #25
Dak -> #19
Tua -> #1
Purdy -> #9
Trevor -> #24
Conclusion: 1) I’m a hardcore Trevor apologist. Fight me about it.
Seriously, though. I think it’s at least somewhat interesting to note how all the really highly viewed QBs here have at least one exceptional unit, but most have two. I also felt like the rankings kind of lined up with the narratives you hear about certain guys. Someone like Hurts doesn’t get as much credit because his oline and recievers are so good. Same for Tua and to a slightly lesser extent Purdy. Other guys who may not have top olines have great targets to throw to or a really strong running game to open up the passing game.
Nobody except Stroud came anywhere near Trevor in being so low on all the lists.
Conclusion? Trevor is still really good. He’s just not getting enough help across the board. Oline, recievers, run game, playcalling. It’s all middle of the pack or worse, and the top QBs are getting above average from at least 2/3 of the main offensive units.
I don’t know, man. I feel like if you’re dinging him for something, it would be… not breaking out of the pocket maybe and avoiding unblocked defenders on his own more often? To me, it just seems like he makes the same rate of throws the really good guys make, but he’s throwing into tighter windows and with less time and no ability to get in a rhythm.
If anything, what he’s being asked to do is a lot harder than some of the big name guys. Just because a throw is far, it doesn’t mean it’s harder. Trevor’s success rate on deep passes has been one of the best in the league, but we’ve barely thrown any, too. We don’t throw them because the line can’t buy him time.
If the line can’t buy him time, then the defense knows they can sit down shallow and play aggressive. That’s likely why his deep pass success rate is so good, too. It’s a surprise to defenses when he has enough time for someone to run more than 5-7 yards.
Trevor is playing on hard mode compared to all these other guys people are calling elite, except maybe Stroud. I’m already willing to accept that Stroud is probably going to be a better QB than Trevor, but if Stroud keeps up his current pace, he’s also going to be better than Mahomes.