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  • I’m adding Foles to the list because adding Vick and Wentz without Foles is downright criminal. And added Jaws and Cunningham because they’re above most of these guys.

    1. McNabb - Accomplishments + Longevity
    2. Jaworski - One of our most accomplished QBs and took us to our first SB.
    3. Cunningham - My favorite Eagles’ QB and the reason I’m a football fan. Vick before Vick existed, but he had a long career here. For one year I was a Vikings fan (though I’m only counting his time with the Eagles here).
    4. Foles - Two great seasons and a SB MVP
    5. Hurts - He’ll surpass Foles this year if we win the SB with him. Even without the SB win, he surpasses Foles pretty soon.
    6. Wentz - Had what should have been an MVP season and showed potential. But injuries and his ego took a toll.
    7. Vick - Exciting but short lived. On par with Wentz except that Carson had that near-MVP year.

    Foles’ SB win + MVP elevates him, but he’s the least talented guy on this list. Hurts has the potential to top this list when it’s all said and done. At minimum a SB win this year moves him ahead of Foles.


  • Normally, I would agree with you. You want the defense to begin putting together their case when they receive the served papers. Giving them a heads up just gives them more time to prep.

    But there’s no way that dbrand and Zack would have done this without their lawyers’ approval. This appears to be a slam dunk case and, by giving this type of heads up, it expedites the eventual settlement. No way this goes to a trial of any kind. Casetify knows they screwed up, and they will want this to go away as quickly as possible to minimize the harm to their brand.

    My guess? We’re going to get an undisclosed settlement, an NDA on all sides, and no admission of wrong doing on Casetify’s part.




  • In 2003 Andy learned that it’s important to have at least one good receiver if you’re going to be a pass-heavy team.

    In 2004 he reaped the benefits by having TO on the team. And even though TO was crazy, Andy made a serious attempt at a legit #1 WR his remaining years in Philly.

    His actions in KC. Shows me that he has clearly forgotten what he learned in Philly.

    And hates RBs and doesn’t like to pay WRs. So you have an offensive line, a WB, a TE, and practice squad players.





  • So, I understand that analytical comments aren’t always appreciated in threads like these, but I try to make them for those who find value in them.

    Simply put, we as Eagles fans tend to view our favorite players through a lens that the rest of the league does not see them. Eric Allen is, simply put, not the kind of DB who would get serious consideration for the HoF (though he will beginning in 2026).

    PFF runs what they call the Hall of Fame Monitor scoring system. And when lined up with players who did and did not make it into the HoF, it’s pretty damn accurate. Here’s the source - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_DB.htm

    The average score of a HoF player is 100. For a defensive back, it’s 98 (meaning it’s a littler easier than average for a DB to get in, compared to Center at 103, making it harder for someone like Kelce to get in).

    Notable HoF scores:

    • Rod Woodson - 177.63 (highest recorded)
    • Deion sanders - 171.03 (2nd place)
    • Ronnie Lott - 165.95 (3rd)
    • Ed Reed - 148.53 (4th, and quite the drop off from the top-3)
    • Herb Adderley - 127.38 (5th, and another large drop-off)
    • Average HoF DB - 98
    • Brian Dawkins - 97.93 (14th)
    • Dave Grayson - 82.93 (28th, highest rated HoF eligible DB not elected to the HoF)
    • Eric Allen - 60.45 (53rd)

    So, that begs the question, how many players rated below Allen have made it to the HoF? Precisely 3:

    1. Ken Riley - 54.85 (elected this past year, he was a 1st team all pro only once, never a top-tier DB but always in the second tier consistently, resulting in 65 INTs, currently tied for 5th all-time, 4th at time of retirement)
    2. Emmitt Thomas - 52.85 (inducted 2008, retired 1978)
    3. Dick LeBeau - 48.20 (inducted in 2010, retired in 1972, HoF induction had nothing to do with his coaching career)

    So the only players rated lower than Allen were retired for 30+ years and were senior nominees. Unfortunately, that’s likely to be how Allen gets in as his career trajectory doesn’t line up with most other HoF players.

    Do I want him in? Hell yes. Do I think he gets in? Yes, but only when he’s eligible as a senior nominee. That eligibility begins in 2026. So we’re getting there.


  • His career weighted value is at a 95, the average HOF center is 100 with multiple getting in with sub-100 including 2 lower than Kelce’s 95

    I see that data, but that’s not the score being used. From the source that I provided, his HOF Monitor score is 70.83. The average for any NFL player to get in is 100. The average for a center is 103. The lowest scoring center ever inducted is Mick Tingelhoff at 72.90. There are three players above Kelce not inducted - Maurkice Pouncey (75.18) and Alex Mack (71.15) are not yet eligible, but Jeff Saturday (75.00) is. And he didn’t even make the finalists list last year.

    Now, if we went off weighed AV, as you proposed, there are two centers with a higher WAV than Kelce (100) who aren’t in - Tom Nalen (102) and Jeff Saturday (118, highest all time). So if Saturday can’t get in being ranked #1 all time, that metric doesn’t work.

    I understand the downvotes I’m getting, but let me be clear - I 100% want Kelce in the HOF and I 100% believe that he has earned it. I just think that his position is too often overlooked. And because of this, the standards are higher to get in.

    I think a few of the people DVing me mistakenly believe that I don’t want Kelce in, which couldn’t be further from the truth.


  • Kelce is a 6th round hall of famer.

    https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_C.htm

    Unfortunately, I don’t think he gets in. He’s beloved in Philly and, over the last several years, has consistently been one of the top centers in the league. PFF had him ranked #2 coming into this season and currently ranked #1.

    Breaking it down further, in 13 rated seasons (counting this one), he has 4 1st place ratings and 8 top-3 finishes.

    The thing is that when he falls out of the top 3, he’s not 4th or 5th ranked. He’s in the 10s or 20s. So he didn’t have this string of dominance that most HOFers have. And he’s at a position that doesn’t often get into the HOF.

    Kelce s my favorite center ever. He deserves to have his number retired. And if there’s any justice in the world he’ll get into the HOF. But statistically, the odds are against him.





    • Coming off our bye we play the Chiefs who are also coming off their bye.
    • After the Monday night Chiefs game we play Buffalo on a slightly short week.
    • San Fran is coming off a Thursday game, so they get an extended rest break before playing us.
    • Dallas is also coming off a Thursday night game and they host us.

    Seattle is a return to normalcy. It’s not just the quality of opponents, but also the schedule itself screwing us.

    2-3 would be “fine” given that gauntlet. Anything better is just gravy.