with a foul call? I understand using your hips or shoulder to create separation is part of the game and as a defender if your not strong enough to take the contact then oh well. But also as defender you are entitled to your position. Where do you guys stand on this ?
no i dont like watching the 76ers
It’s gotten ridiculous. A defender can’t even be in a legal guarding position while moving anymore, not initiating any contact nor jumping in front of offensive player, and the offensive player is allowed to throw their shoulder into you. I can’t watch that garbage.
I think when a player is airborne clearly going to the hoop and they collide with a player most of the time its fine to reward the offensive player. (Giannis can sometimes be a bit much bulldozing someone)
The thing I hate is the little arm kick-out to slightly elbow the defender who is side-to-side with you on your way up and its an And-1. You see it a lot with elite guards like Dame, Kyrie, Steph, Mitchell.
Should just be play on it the offensive player clearly initiates contact
I like tough physical defense.
Let them play
After watching Giannis literally dip his shoulder and go right into the chest of everyone on the Suns during his championship run, I’m gonna say no. That was tough to watch as a Suns fan. They literally couldn’t do anything without being called for a foul
Fuck no, it’s dumb as hell.
I don’t like it and I really don’t like how some players get a nicer whistle in those situations than others.
No. Artificial numbers and stars, lot of guys would suffer without easy ft offense and wouldn’t be so many clowns averaging 25ppg.
Also there’s no consistency in calls at all. I don’t know what I’m watching at times. NBA clearly favors players and teams that make more money. When I watch bad teams play, some of these guys get no fouls called for them.
How do you know when offense initiates?
If defender is standing still, that’s a charge. Beyond that, both players are trying to get to a spot. If offense guy gets there first, defender is late - is that initiation?
For a example player a is on the wing and makes a drive to the basket and player b is side by side with him. If player b is still moving and player a gives him a bump with the shoulder, that shouldn’t be an offensive foul since player b the defender is 1) not set 2) not square to the offensive player a. Now if player a and b stop , player a pump fakes ,player b is stationary with his hands up perpendicular and player a jumps into player b then yes that should be an offensive foul.
If you jump into your own space - ie up - that would make sense to be a foul if someone is there and makes foul contact. If you go into someone else’s space, that would not be a foul.
It’s just rare for all this to happen standing still. People are moving all the time. People are in each other’s space.
My take is overall the offense gets more benefit of doubt to ensure clean shooting opportunities nowadays, and the offense took advantage of that bias. 10 years ago, getting clean shooting opportunities was harder and the offense had less incentive to sell it because the foul wouldn’t come anyways.