• retiredminionB
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    10 months ago

    I’ve been learning a lot about Sweden as a result of this. Suprisingly, or not so suprisingly since piling on Tesla is so popular, there is very little reporting on the Sweden part.

    In 1995 Sweden did the same thing to Toys R Us.

    In Sweden their culture dominates over law. What they call sympathy strikes such as the government owned postal system striking against a single targeted company, despite having no direct relationship, is illegal throughout most of the world.

    The Swedish view is it’s not the government postal system striking, it’s the postal union striking against a single target. To me that’s simply a word game of no difference and would be illegal almost anywhere but Sweden.

    Sweden says the union is voluntary but the entire country will come for you in mob rule if you don’t participate. Again, apparently legal in Sweden if nowhere else.

    From the exchanges I’ve had, it seems the Swedish union culture effectively controls the government and is perfectly willing to drive Tesla out of the country to protect their union power base. Toys R Us eventually gave in to the Swedish mob extortion, I can speculate several possibilities as to Tesla but really I have no idea.

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      10 months ago

      Yes per Teslarati:

      When asked why they did not join IF Metall’s planned walkout, the Tesla staff reportedly noted that they did not see the need to strike because their working conditions and wages were already better than their previous workplaces.

      Some younger employees also reportedly stated that their salary and career paths are much better at Tesla as compared to other automakers. They also appreciated the fact that they were issued stock options from the company, some of whom have reportedly seen an increase of several hundred percent to date.

      What is interesting is that IF Metall and the Tesla workers in Sweden had actually met several times in the past. The employees, however, were reportedly unimpressed with what the union was offering.

      For those who automatically discount anything from Teslarati, here are some Swedish links about the strike."

      Strejken hos Tesla - Ingen ställde upp

      Strejken som inte fanns

      And Google Translate

  • AccomplishedCheck895B
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    10 months ago

    Is there an article or anything like that documenting that the majority, or even half, actual Tesla Sweeden employees want to unionize?

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    10 months ago

    I have to wonder: I Tesla is not treating their Swedish employees fairly, wouldn’t there be extremely progressive Swedish labor laws that would be violated? How could Tesla be taking advantage of its Swedish employees who voluntarily took the job? If Tesla somehow breached agreements or wasn’t meeting wage/benefit laws of the country, wouldn’t they be in court as a defendant or paying fines?

    Identifying where’all this is coming from’ seems hard to do since there doesn’t seem to be clear and documented violations against employee rights, pay, benefits.

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    10 months ago

    Well, it seems like there’s no clarification coming in this thread about what actual Tesla employees are asking for a union so …. How about another Toyota Solid-stare Battery post? Those always get the juices going.

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    10 months ago

    Funny how every single comment in this thread goes on and on about unions but nobody is asking why Tesla isn’t just signing the deal like every other car company operating in Sweden.

    It’s not the unions singling out Tesla and try to be mean to Musk, it’s Musk trying to impose his right wing ideology on another country. It’s clearly not a financial question because according to you, Tesla workers are already paid as well or better than the rest, so nothing would change.

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    10 months ago

    Question to anyone who can answer:

    if a bargaining agreement is required, as IF Metal says it is, then why were the mechanics allowed to Hire in to Tesla without one in place in the first place?

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    10 months ago

    I found this video that presents the Swedish view.

    The Swedish Tesla Union strike – everything you need to know

    It’s in Swedish but has English subtitles.

    I find it very interesting, it presents most of the same explanations of Swedish union culture many here have already attempted. What’s particularly interesting to me as an American is that the very things described as undeniably good and persuasive I find horrifying. The fundamental approach that it’s not law but you have to follow cultural tradition or be crushed.