I assume there must be a reason why sign language is superior but I genuinely don’t know why.

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    10 months ago

    This raises more questions than it answers, like how do the deaf from birth function in society at all if they struggle with other languages besides sign language. How do they get a job, go to school, learn new skills, read the news, text people? What do they do in their leisure if not watching subtitles movies or reading books? Many non-english speakers end up learning English anyway because of just how pervasive it is.

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      10 months ago

      The same way anyone else for whom English is a second or third language function in society.

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        10 months ago

        I’m ESL and use English subtitles when watching a programme in a language I can’t speak…

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      10 months ago

      Think about written English: it’s phonetic.

      How do you learn to RECOGNIZE A WRITTEN WORD when you don’t know what it sounds like, let alone what the letters mean. Or becomes a matter of a hundred thousand different symbols, recognized as a unit, removed from the auditory context.

      I can’t imagine how any deaf person learns to read, to be honest . It’s an astounding feat.

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        10 months ago

        Don’t you just recognize the sequences? There are plenty of non phonic languages, you just recognize patterns instead of sounds.

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      10 months ago

      Which is why we give deaf students extra attention in schools now…

      The issue is the deaf community was forced to be insular for most of American history. And part of that included the stereotype of “deaf and dumb” where if a person was deaf, they were assumed to be stupid.

      And some older members of that community see the next generation being treated more inclusivly as a negative, because that means their community will shrink if people aren’t forced to only interact with other deaf people. They don’t want integration into the larger community, and they want to force future generations to be segregated as well.

      And theyre kind of right. Most of the people with that line of thought aren’t people you’d want to voluntarily associate with. Wanting to hobble the next generation so you don’t feel lonely is pretty low.

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        10 months ago

        Dumb used to mean mute. The phrase meant deaf and unable to speak.

        Of course, not being able to communicate leads a lot of people to think someone is stupid, and I imagine that’s why dumb is now synonymous with it.

        I once met a lady with some severe disabilities, no idea what, in a powered wheelchair at a bar. She couldn’t talk, and had a massive keyboard she would sort of flail at until she spelled out the words she was trying to say. It audibly spoke for her.

        This lady has two college degrees, writes books, and does art to help promote the concept that disabled people are people too.

        Pretty damn impressive. Her and her husband’s main gripes were how infantilizing most people are to them. And how expensive good wheelchairs are, lol

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      10 months ago

      Well, subtitles are usually really fast. For most other things that you dont have to read live, reading a bit slower is not really an issue.

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      10 months ago

      They don’t. Having your native language be easier than another doesn’t mean you’re struggling significantly.