• NTSync coming in Kernel 6.11 for better Wine/Proton game performance and porting.
  • Wine-Wayland last 4/5 parts left to be merged before end of 2024
  • Wayland HDR/Game color protocol will be finished before end of 2024
  • Nvidia 555/560 will be out for a perfect no stutter Nvidia performance
  • KDE/Gnome reaching stability and usability with NO FKN ADS
  • VR being usable
  • More Wine development and more Games being ported
  • Better LibreOffice/Word compatibility
  • Windows 10 coming to EOL
  • Improved Linux simplicity and support
  • Web-native apps (Including Msft Office and Adobe)
  • .Net cross platform (in VSCode or Jetbrains Rider)

What else am I missing?

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    Most of the points listed here don’t matter a hoot to the average user.

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    There’s more than a few reasons why Linux can’t make the jump to holding a dominant position in the desktop market.

    One is simply preinstallation. For companies (and therefore the general public) to adopt the Desktop Linux, they’d need it simply to be installed for them, with a Desktop Environment like Gnome or KDE.

    Secondly is updates. As much as Linux users tout the control they have over when and how updates take place, and how much Windows users will always complain about having to update their systems, until system updates on Linux are made automatic (or at least given the option to be made automatic), there cannot be a mainstream Linux Desktop. This means updates that happen very much like Windows, no administrator/sudo password, just happens on reboot regularly.

    The reason for this is mainly that the average user would never update unless forced, and then when something inevitably breaks, they are left, as always, frustrated that their computer just didn’t work as expected forever without any upkeep, understanding, or updates.

    Lastly is support. And this is multifaceted. By support I mean software support by companies like Adobe. I also mean a much farther reaching swath of random devices that literally plug and play like on Windows.

    As an aside, I’ll also say that since there is a move towards Wayland, there also needs to be a No Configuration Necessary way of running Nvidia on Wayland. This is less a Linux issue, and more a Nvidia one, but until pretty much any and all hardware works on Linux the way it just works on Windows, this sadly affects Linux Desktop adoption as more and more of the Linux Desktop ecosystem moves towards forcing Wayland adoption.

    Finally I’ll say that the Microsoft corporation at large obviously relies mainly on Corporate Adoption of its products and services, and that the Windows Desktop is simply one part of that greater whole. Their approach to competing with Apple and their walled garden ecosystem has been to slowly but surely create their own, its just so much larger you forget there are walls. They have done this by absorbing more and more of the tech ecosystem either by acquisition, invention, or otherwise. Examples ot this include Bing and All Search Engines that Use it, the pushing of TypeScript into JavaScript Development, the predominance and proliferation of VSStudio/VSCode in modern software development, their heavy involvement with OpenAI and aggressive pushing of AI products/services, their acquisition of Github and subsequent further expansion of influence over software development and distribution, and much much more.

    Despite the privacy invasion, enshittefication of the user experience, and their various other ways they have mistreated their users specifically via the direction they’ve taken Windows, Microsoft has established itself as THE Desktop, as THE Workstation, and as THE company that comes to mind when the average person mentions “computer”, and the majority of people associate computer related productivity and play with Windows.

    For all the advances made to Desktop Linux, especially in recent years, it is unlikely that Linux Desktop adoption will ever proliferate to the kinds of mainstream adoption that its accolades desire. Until Linux (or at least a Linux distribution) can demonstrate what I’ve mentioned above (preinstallation, automatic/automated updates, and wide spread software/hardware support from various 3rd party vendors) along with demonstrating a work flow/user experience that is somehow both familiar to the user and also better than the experience on Windows, then the day of the Linux Desktop will never come.

    This aforementioned demonstration, btw, would have to become obscenely apparent to the average every day computer user who just wants to get their work done, play a Video Game, and watch Netflix, all without having to ever even know what a terminal emulator is.

    I love Linux, and I think the Linux Desktop is not only a superior user experience, but is just better in general than Windows. But the average user I’ve encountered generally hates their Computer if it doesn’t work as expected 110% of the time. Linux, and honestly computers, will never be able to do that, but the closer the Desktop (and user facing GUIs more broadly) get to creating that illusion of “it all just works all the time”, the more adoption you’ll see.

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      it is unlikely that Linux Desktop adoption will ever proliferate to the kinds of mainstream adoption that its accolades desire.

      And if it does, the acolytes will hate it and start pushing for BSD adoption, because there’s a huge streak of hipsterism in the Linux community

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        Ah BSD, the OS that probably doesn’t have an NSA backdoor in it because it’s just not worth their time, lol.

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      the pushing of TypeScript into JavaScript Development,

      TIL that Typescript was developed by MS. It’s “free and open-source” though, i’d say the hability for them to cripple it are minimal?

      GitHub was a blow though and it’s why i recommend CodeBerg at every chance i get. They’re on mastodon: @Codeberg@Codeberg@social.anoxinon.de

      I’d say Ubuntu is probably the distro closer to being the “desktop linux”, Canonical’s been trying to be like MS for years.

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        Yeah, I generally agree with all sentiments. TS is handy at times, but working with poorly written .d.ts types from 3rd party libs is Hell.

        The MS acquisition of Github is sad imho. Using alternatives is nice. I’ll eventually get around to self hosting a Gitea or cgit instance.

        Ubuntu, Mint, and PopOS are probably the closest to a mainstream Linux Desktop from what I’ve seen, and perhaps one day one of those really will take the mantle and push the Linux Desktop forward into the mainstream, but I just don’t see it. I do hope I’m wrong though.

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    What else am I missing?

    Global Linux usage stats vs global Windows usage stats for PC Desktops.

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    I hope you’re right. What I did was let my kids use Linux, whatever distro they wanted, and they have used Windows only at school. I think this is the way to do it, expose this growing generation to good software and keep them away from the enahitified ones, while explaining the importance and joy of privacy.

    If we all do that with our kids, the next generation will have less sheep following all the commercial crap out there.

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      I’m planning on doing the same thing. I only have Linux installed at home. If they really need Windows for something I could always spin up a VM.

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    Here’s the hilarious reality:

    I installed Fedora Workstation on a laptop yesterday, just to check out how that’s going.

    I’m probably reverting it to Windows because there is no tool to adjust the scroll speed of the touchpad.

    And that’s what that takes.

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      Honestly, I am so tempted to ditch Linux because of minor issues like this. No autoscroll on scroll wheel, no option for mono audio, etc etc. I do not want to set up a million scripts to customise my experience, I want the options to be there by default. If MS wasn’t screwing the pooch I probably would have moved back at some point.

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        I highly suggest windows for both of you. If minor issues like this bother you while major issues like data collection and ad pushing dont and you dont want to participate in making linux better by submitting bug reports then linux may just not be for you.

        Its very much like owning a house or a ranch. You‘re free of others and can do whatever you like. But you do have to do your own maintenance.

        If you want to go back paying rent for a shoebox apartment, thats your choice.

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          If minor issues like this bother you while major issues like data collection and ad pushing dont

          As I pointed out, I’m using it because MS is screwing the pooch with those issues.

          you dont want to participate in making linux better by submitting bug reports

          These are known issues, and have been around for more than a decade. They’re not bugs, they’re missing basic features. But sure, go ahead and assume stuff.

          Its very much like owning a house or a ranch. You‘re free of others and can do whatever you like. But you do have to do your own maintenance.

          If you want to go back paying rent for a shoebox apartment, thats your choice.

          It’s probably closer to renting a apartment vs owning a shack (or it was, before said screwing of said pooch). You can upgrade it into a mansion if you want, but that’s not where you start.

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            As I pointed out, I’m using it because MS is screwing the pooch with those issues.

            Fair enough

            These are known issues, and have been around for more than a decade. They’re not bugs, they’re missing basic features.

            Then make a fork and or PR. i‘m only around two years and I make the stuff I need.

            But sure, go ahead and assume stuff.

            As a human does since your small text can never have full information needed to know everything. For the sake of discussing things I have to either ask and widen the scope of the discussion or I assume where it seems appropriate and you correct me if I‘m wrong. Sorry if that is new to you.

            It’s probably closer to renting a apartment vs owning a shack (or it was, before said screwing of said pooch). You can upgrade it into a mansion if you want, but that’s not where you start.

            If thats your opinion I‘d like to own a „shack“ because in germany, where I live, the houses even need maintenance and repairs if you buy them.

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              A more classic example of linux users pushing others away, I could not have come up with.

              “I have so-and-so issue”

              “Fork the OS and fix it yourself!”

              Yeah, no. I already spend 8 hours a day programming, I’d like my free time to be spent elsewhere, thanks.

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                I‘m a tech myself and I know this discussion from 100 times this has occured.

                1. someone complaining about something openly instead of using the proper channels
                2. someone suggesting they use the proper channels
                3. they denying that its an issue they can help fix but a general failing of the software/vendor (typical proprietary software-user behavior)
                4. person trying to help pointing out that this is not helpful behavior
                5. person complaining getting defensive and falling for a logical fallacy instead of seeing their mistake.

                But yeah, good luck mate.

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                  1. someone complaining about something openly instead of using the proper channels

                  I refer you back to my original statement. I was not asking how to do something. I was grousing that basic tasks are extremely user-unfriendly to configure. I’ve fixed it on my computer. That’s not the topic under discussion.

                  1. someone suggesting they use the proper channels

                  What proper channels? We’re in a post claiming it’s the YOTLD again, because OP apparently doesn’t realise it’s been claimed every year for the last couple decades. I’m posting about why that’s not gonna happen this year either.

                  1. they denying that its an issue they can help fix but a general failing of the software/vendor (typical proprietary software-user behavior)

                  I could fix it. However, I have no intention of opening a PR and spending what little free time I have contributing to open source (I’ll contribute money, but not my time). Kudos to those who do write and maintain open source, but that’s not for me.

                  1. & 5.

                  I think you can see how we’ve diverged into entirely different directions already.

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    Better LibreOffice/Word compatibility

    Not on the MS side for sure, they’ve always made sure they don’t follow their own spec so they can more easily vendor-lock. Typical EEE from the company that coined it.

    Windows 10 coming to EOL

    That, per se, no, both XP and 7 kept existing for years, but 11 around the corner with ads and recall… that may steer some people away. Edit: as will inflated minimum system requirements at every release.

    Web-native apps (Including Msft Office and Adobe)

    Those are OS-agnostic and a way to keep using MS apps. Office is one of the hardest to let go (because of aforementioned reasons), especially in a corporate environment - which, most likely, is the bulk of MS customers in terms of revenue.

    .Net cross platform (in VSCode or Jetbrains Rider)

    Until they change something. EEE, remember?

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    Not even one of those points will accelerate Linux adoption to being with a decade of the snowballing level at which point it could Dethrone Windows.

    You been drinking some absinthe or smoking the ganja-weed?

    Or just straight up snorting Flakka