As someone who daily drives Mint, wut.
Laughs in Debian Stable
Because Mint is popular among the crowd, and such challenges are also driven by the crowd. Better to see it as some social or meme dynamics, than to explain it with logical reasons. I also see more new users who use arch, because of the “I use arch BTW” meme.
As a Fedora Silverblue user I find it hard to recommend it to new users. It’s not an issue with Fedora, but with the state of Linux desktop in general. At least with Mint/Ubuntu people can rely on social media and the community if they have problems. And Fedora is a more niche thing, and doesn’t have a big crowd.
Moreover, I chose Fedora because of my experience, which allows me to have opinion what is better. But I don’t think it’s a good idea to explain the years of the Linux desktop drama to new users, when they are just doing the first steps or trying to feed their curiosity.
Wayland and nvidia dont mix. They are going to have a shit time, because some don’t have “non-free” enabled and require editing configuration files. Fresh Mint broke or couldn’t install the “newest” drivers on my friends computer, because of kernel version I assume. After that mess, the games lagged like crazy. Even worse on Wayland.
Installed Endeavour for my friend, because CBA setting up debian and “it just works”. Arch as the first Linux though… What a mess.
came here to spread the good word of endeavor os
It’s my favourite distro because of three reasons.
- Arch worth lightweight with minimal QOL improvement
- best user community 3 ) who doesn’t like space theme distro?? lol
I just setup on my T480 with BTRFS and BTRFS-Assistant and snapper last night. It’s working well
I refuse to use anything that isnt arch based unless its a niche linux distribution for something specific because the arch user repository basically solves the biggest issue for newbies which is getting a grasp of packages for software. it has any of the common software and if you do need to build something from a github repo, that is ofc easy enough on any distro. I’m not the most technically inclined with linux and I use a chatgpt got thingy called code copilot in their search thing and I can use it to solve even really niche problems I have like a USB DAC not being recognized because it doesn’t have the correct read/write permissions. most of the time I just ask basic things like how to get whatever github repo working and it helps me troubleshoot if I run into weird issues. I even got it to help me set up neo-matrix to run in alacrity terminal on bootup, it was a nice introduction to scripting and autostart and stuff when it helped me, so now I have a little bit better grasp on how that all works out.
30 days? I’m on month 3 with no issues.
Meanwhile, I had to dump Nobara on another PC because I couldn’t get RDC working, no matter what instructions I followed.
And no, VNC wasn’t an option for this.
I agree with @trolololol@lemmy.world here. Could you describe what issues are people having? What is their user profile (programmers, writers, …)?
@Magnolia_ been running Mint for years and never had issues with the package versions being too old for anything 🤷🏻♂️
I’m sure talking about the 30days challenge from Raid Owl and I have an idea of his conclusion. First he’s a power user (not in the fact of tweaking and scratch in the file system), he needs a lot of stuff to work. And for someone outside of the traditional office work or maybe developing, Linux is hard to use for graphics works, so sure Linux Mint is not for this kind of people but you should always recommended it to “normal” people and beginner in Linux. Sure in this case his conclusion is wrong, he should have used Fedora, Arch or OpenSUSE, but that’s it.
Anybody that already has had a computer for 2 years and is coming from Windows will have almost no problems with Mint. Stability is top priority for first time Linux users and you need some visual guide with screenshots. Mint also has a great default look and setup for people coming from Windows. Mint is probably the best distro to put on your mom’s old laptop that is “getting slow” because of viruses.
I’d recommend KDE Neon or Ubuntu also depending on the situation but if I don’t know anything about the person and computer I’d say Mint.
OpenSUSE Thumbleweed or KDE Neon.
wait Mint was (and still is) out of date?
@Magnolia_ I drive Fedora on laptop without any issues, and I reaally like Wayland and Fedora. X11 still better for normal people. Also UI and UX similar on Mint to Windows
I only just switched to Linux this past week and I use Mint. It was suggested to me by someone here on lemmy. It was easy to set up, customize, and get all my stuff working on it. I have World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV, Elden Ring and a few other games all working on it. The only issue, and right now it’s a minor one, I’m having is the 535 nividia drivers can cause random stutters/lag every now and then but nothing major.
My point is for people like me who are new to linux and don’t want to get overwhelmed I think Mint is great. I know eventually i’ll change to a different more “advanced” distro, right now I have my eye on CachyOS, but I don’t think I’m there quite yet to confidently install it.
I recommend OpenSUSE Thumbleweed for everyone, but I haven’t used it for long time and I use only Gentoo and OpenWRT on all my devices. And Android on phone, hopefully 10 years later I will replace it with linuxphone.
How does Gentoo compare to OpenSuse Tumbleweed?
Disclamer: last time I used OpenSUSE was very long time ago. Probably somewhere in 2018.
When I switched back to Gentoo, Gentoo had more packages in base repo, was more configurable and easier to fix and felt more convenient to me(especially for development). Also easier on resources in casual use. It was important to me since at the time my system had very small amount of RAM, while I wanted to host minecraft server with many mods and play on it with friends. Installing cross-compilers is very easy with crossdev. And I think there were problems with having multiple versions of gcc installed. The only downside I can think of is slower update process(especially compiling firefox/chromium/libreoffice/rust), but in return you get the system, which if breaks, you know how to fix it.
Would I recommend Gentoo to everyone who wants to install Linux on their own regular x86 computers and be what people call a regular user and doesn’t want to understand how system works? Rather no.
Would I recommend Gentoo for someone who wants to install Linux for their granny and already knows Linux or even has Gentoo? Rather yes, stereotypical granny doesn’t care about distro, she only needs browser and working sound.
Would I recommend Gentoo for any kind of developers(except webdevs, they are separate species)? Absolutely.
For gamers? It is one of reasons I choose Gentoo.
For tinkerers? You know the answer.
For wierd ARM/MIPS/RISC-V/ELBRUS computer? Very yes.
As a heavy gamer, never say those words 😂 and as IT student, this is really interesting. How well do containers, virtual machines, and flatpaks work? I was thinking about learning self hosting, emacs, and xmonad on a pi4.
As a heavy gamer, never say those words 😂
Well, recommendation isn’t based only on being gamer. But I noticed heavy gamers tend to more proactive in learning how their system works and tweak their system to their needs. I got one converted into Arch user. It’s like heavy gamers have attention and initiative.
and as IT student, this is really interesting.
It was interesting even to some school students. I think I first Installed Gentoo somewhere in 6th grade.
How well do containers
Should be fine. Long time ago I tried to use lxc. It worked.
virtual machines
KVM works really well, I didn’t try Xen.
and flatpaks work?
Didn’t need, didn’t try. There is nothing preventing them from working.
I was thinking about learning self hosting, emacs, and xmonad on a pi4.
I am running Gentoo 24/7 on noname chinese TV box on Allwinner A10 with 1GB of RAM. I wrote device tree myself and compiled mainline u-boot. Most of packages I precompile on my desktop with crossdev, that has exactly same make.conf. Same for Rock64 SBC, but it’s sitting powered off. Also I did small modifications to devicetree for it as well. I can answer some qutsions.
TV box runs tor node 24/7 and private search of fimfarchive.
Thank you for your insight.
These thumbnails are also the reason why people stay away from Linux. How is the little girl relevant to your question?
Couldn’t possibly agree more. One of the biggest barriers to sharing my enthusiasm for Linux with my friends is filtering out all of the cringey anime weeb shit that somehow gets posted along with it. Why does open source software need to be associated with creepy drawings of little girls? Absolutely the worst vibes.
It’s understandable when it comes from niche programs with solo devs. You are likely to be a degen when you spend your whole day in front of your computer. So you likely also have degen habits like the one here. But if it’s from group of devs then yeah that’s straight up irritating.
Also you in the sense not you. English not my main language.
Hur durr… You have different interests… Therefore degenerate…
Do you even realize how incredibly stupid the whole concept of tribalism is?
My understanding of degeneracy is well defined.
degenerate behavior, especially behavior considered sexually deviant
Fortunately I do not have any interest on little kids so yes it is deviating from my/societal interest therefore a degen.
Idk, I feel like gatekeeping is a bigger problem than anime thumbnails.
I would have to disagree. What you are saying is toxic communities that reply RTFM to every question like arch or gentoo. Those aren’t beginner friendly distros. Mint, ubuntu, pop, fedora all have wonderful communities and quick support.
Windows is more documented. Not better but more. So when someone migrates to linux they panic because they can’t find resources like they used to do. How to fix this? Just give it time. More windows enshittification, more migration, more questions in support, more answers. No more gstekeeping like feeling.
The gatekeeping I was referring to is giving people shit for being weebs, furries, etc. etc. Feels skeezy and moralistic. One of my favourite things about the Linux community is how openly eccentric so many people are. Even if it isn’t my aesthetic it’s way less contrived than the bland wastelands that corporate culture generates.
It wasn’t really relevant to your question, but you do you, weeb OP.
Gatekeeping (communication) Gatekeeping is the process through which information is filtered for dissemination, whether for publication, broadcasting, the Internet, or some other mode of communication.
That is certainly one use of the word gatekeeping. Another common use of the word is:
“when someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity”.
You got it mixed up. I am not restricting one to let others in. Being a creep is not normal and it isn’t gatekeeping to say cosplaying little girls is not normal.
And all the down votes prove how much this is normalized in linux communuty which gets us all bad rep.
