Matt Garman sees a shift in software development as AI automates coding, telling staff to enhance product-management skills to stay competitive.

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    3 months ago

    In a leaked recording, Amazon cloud chief admits he doesn’t understand software development, also doesn’t understand the current AI offerings’ capabilities, and just wants the Amazon stock price to rise so he can buy a bigger boat.

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    Fucking hell, 80% of my job is finding out what the requirements are. 20% is then using a specialized language to write down all these requirements and the thousands of decisions I make on how to meet them.

    If AI somehow replaces those 20% coding,

    • I still have to do 80% of my job, and
    • I still have to tell the AI all this shit, just this time in natural language, which is awful for codifying requirements.

    How is this guy a manager, but has no idea what a software engineer does all day?

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      This is why engineering managers need to come from engineering. If they couldn’t help out in the codebase in an emergency situation, they shouldn’t be making decisions like this. It’s not unreasonable for ELT to ask questions about this but if their reporters are not telling them the truth, the whole structure is broken.

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        But without ignorant, self-congratulating MBAs to artificially reduce productivity to maintain the illusion of constant growth, companies would make safer products with greater care and understanding of the entire process holistically, and you can’t pay your shareholders in understanding.

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      Why maintain code? Just describe the program you want in a query and then every time it might need maintenance, you just tell it to generate anew.

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        You can add “Don’t have bugs” to the prompt to ensure the application continues to run smoothly.

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    The only person in my company using AI to code writes stuff with tons of memory leaks that require two experienced programmers to fix. (To be fair, I don’t think he included “don’t have memory leaks” in the prompt.)

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      I find that my programming speed is up 15-20 percent since I started using supermaven copilot. I also have become better at naming functions as it increases the odds of the copilot understanding what I’m trying to do.

      Also writing tests go way faster.

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        Are you able to share what kinds of applications and what languages you write in? I’m still trying to grasp why LLM programming assistants seem popular despite the flaws I see in them, so I’m trying to understand the cases where they do work.

        For example, my colleague was writing CUDA code to simulate optical physics, so it’s possible that the LLM’s failure was due in part to the niche application and a language that is unforgiving of deviations from the one correct way of writing things.

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          Sorry I didn’t see this earlier.

          It’s very vanilla node backend stuff with popular Frameworks such as koa and nest so that makes it easier to give me good assistance I guess.

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      I’m amazed how overstated llm ability to program is. I keep trying, and I’ve yet to have any model output so much as a single function that ran correctly without modification. Beyond that it has made up APIs when I’ve asked about approaches to problems, and I’ve given it code to find bugs and memory issues I think are fairly obvious and it fails every time.

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        It really depends on the domain. E.g. I wrote a parser and copilot was tremendously useful, presumably because there are a gazillion examples on the internet.

        Another case where it saved me literally hours was spawning a subprocess in C++ and capturing stdin/out. It didn’t get it 100% right but it saved me so much time looking up how to do it and the names of functions etc.

        Today I’m trying to write a custom image format, and it is pretty useless for that task, presumably because nobody else has done it before.

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          This makes sense, I’ve largely been trying to use it for things I do regularly, and I’m pretty senior, having been in the industry for some time, so I tend not to be asking the questions that will have a million examples out there. But then again, these are the sorts of things that it will need to be able to do to replace people in industry.