Listen, i’m not saying his time isn’t coming to an end at the elite level. But one poor season in 23 years does not call for some of the revisionism occurring here lately. Arguably, the defences he’s still producing (2022, 2021, 2020) have kept the Patriots from rebuilding properly. It isn’t easy in this league to escape from 8-8 hell without a franchise QB.
“Brady made him”. You can use whatever stat you want here, but let’s use the most basic one. Points allowed per game. Of course there are influences here. Time of possession, special teams, ability to generate turnovers. But at its most basic level this is what determines the result of a game.
Brady had 20 seasons as a Patriot. He had a top 10 defence in 17 of them. In 3 super bowl victories, the Patriots played 3 of the top 15 offences in NFL history. 01 Rams, 16 Falcons and 18 Rams. 17 points, 22 points(pick six), 3 points. Even throw the record breaking 04 Colts in there, 3 pts. If we change to PTS per drive, he still has 15 top 10 defences!
Manning had 4, Rodgers had 3, Brees had 2. All three had great ball security and time of possession.
Is Brady the GOAT, yes. His consistency in clutch moments puts him ahead of the likes of Peyton and Rodgers. Did he make Bill the greatest defensive mind in history, no!
Brady record when scoring 20+in the playoffs: 32-4. Rodgers is 12-9 in this statistic for a direct comparison.
Average finish in points per drive among notable QBs
Brady: 9th
Rivers: 15th
Peyton: 18th
Rodgers: 18th
Brees: 20th
Mahomes: 20th
And we are trying to pretend Bill didn’t give Brady a significant advantage over his peers? Another 2 super bowls as a DC.
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Michigan fans are rubbing off on Patriots fans this week.
Bill has always been a slightly above average head coach who lucked into a few more super bowls than he deserved. He isn’t an awful coach or anything, but he’s also nowhere near one of the best.
This is a fair and correct assessment.
Brady getting a ring instantly after leaving the Pats while Belicheck consistently does nothing tells you all you need to know
Idt it’s gone far enough tbh
Belichick has done nothing since the GOAT left him. Sub .500 record, no future for the team, very few cornerstones to build around (all of them on defese). He set up his QB to fail with the worst coordinators in history last year, and has draft record is as good as it’s been in the last 10 years (worst in the league).
The answer is BOTH. It took both the greatest coach of all time having the greatest quarterback of all time to produce the unprecedented success the Patriots had in this century.
The percentage is irrelevant. Neither would be what they eventually became without the other.
Even Brady has talked about how important Bill was in building him into the QB he became. No HC is going to win to the playoffs without an above average. Mac simply isn’t that guy. He’ll be a decent backup though.
Bill is a terrible GM, if that loses him games then it falls on him
It’s not 1 poor season. It’s 4 middling-to-poor seasons since Brady retired.
Winning a ton of championships can get you a lot of slack, but how much before you decide to actual compete again with the franchise? 5 middling-to-poor seasons? 7? 10? Should we throw away an entire decade of Patriots football?
4 seasons is a long time to rebuild a team that shouldn’t have needed a lot of rebuilding outside the QB. Belichick gets double the blame because he’s both failing as the HC and the GM at the same time.
People just have a lot of pent up rage over the 20 years of Patriots dominance. Let them have their fun. Everyone knows Belichick is the best coach.
People were shitting on Shula his last few years. People just like to minimize coaches accomplishments if the team feels sluggish or not living up to their potential. In the case of the Pats they hitched their fortunes to a subpar QB and subpar WRs.
One thing that complicates this and to remember is that if your offensive is really good it makes you defense better in some cases. They get to rest longer between possessions. If you score often or have a big lead, the other teams offense needs to be more desperate, throw more, force more plays, stray from their game plan. Just a thought to add to what is a pretty complex overall analysis.
I believe Brady also had one of the best offensive lines in the league for most of his career
It’s not 1 poor season. It’s 4 middling-to-poor seasons since Brady retired.
Winning a ton of championships can get you a lot of slack, but how much before you decide to actual compete again with the franchise? 5 middling-to-poor seasons? 7? 10? Should we throw away an entire decade of Patriots football?
4 seasons is a long time to rebuild a team that shouldn’t have needed a lot of rebuilding outside the QB. Belichick gets double the blame because he’s both failing as the HC and the GM at the same time.
Also the AFC East was historically bad for the last 20 some years so the Pats almost always got 6 easy wins a year.
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Honestly better than the 0.444 Brady has with Todd Bowles