Everybody should be fired and I mean that.
Daboll is not a good head coach. This is very obvious. You should not have to waste next year to figure this out. You could clearly see he wasn’t a good coach last year. His clock management was so bad in games last year It was mind boggling that a coach at this level could be that bad. He would go into halftime with all his timeouts and instead of running a two minute offense to try to score, he would simply run the clock out on himself and not even attempt to even score. ( I think that was against Dallas last year at home). When we could have a easily had another chance at scoring.
That game was when I knew he was a dumbass. That’s football 101. It does not take a genius to know that. We won in spite of Daboll, not because of him.
Joe Schoen on the other hand has had two drafts and two free agency’s and has accomplished zero in that timespan.
The whole team is more or less still Gettlemens roster. We didn’t get rid of anybody. He didn’t do anything.
Barkley, Leonard Willams ( not anymore but still), Jackson, Jones, Slayton and more are all still on the team.
These players from the previous regime should have been released or traded to free cap room and get picks. It should have been done in the FIRST YEAR. NO NEED TO WASTE TIME. We should have cleaned house.
Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence should have been the only players from the Gettlemen era on the new roster.
That’s why this regime needs to be fired now before we waste next year. We don’t need another year to figure out this coaching staff isn’t it ( at least I don’t).
Unpopular but it’s the truth. Since the consensus here seems to be ( for some very strange reason) is very in favor of keeping this current staff, I don’t want to hear complaining when this same coaching staff shits the bed and we waste another year so simpletons can figure it out. No offense
You are, respectfully, a fucking dumbass
1: The 2022 Giants did not win “in spite of Daboll”. Go ahead and make the case for how the 2022 Giants were so talented that they were able to overcome awful coaching to make the playoffs. Regardless of what you think of Daboll this year, he was legitimately excellent last year and pretending he wasn’t is fucking stupid
2: Please explain how the Giants were supposed to get rid of Leonard Williams’ and Adoree Jackson’s contract. Explain what you would have done. Also, I’m sure that Darius Slayton’s $6 million is why the team is losing. You’ve definitely hit the nail on the head
3: Even ignoring all of that, the fact is this: if you fire Daboll less than a year after he won coach of the year and a playoff game, after a year where he was without his starting QB, RB, LT, TE, C, and LG for timespans ranging from a few weeks to over half the season, you are sending a very clear message to any coach looking for a HC job: Do not come to the New York Giants, because if you have one bad year, regardless of circumstance, we WILL fire you. You will not have any time to improve things. What coach would ever want to come here? I’ll tell you, NOBODY. NO GOOD COACH would EVER come here if we fire Daboll
4: Same goes for Schoen too. You fire him, you’re telling any would-be GM that you have 2 years to make the team good and if you don’t, you’re fired. No one worth a damn would ever take the job and whoever did would try to rush success in 2 years at the cost of long term sustainability which always works out great!
If you want Daboll or Schoen fired you haven’t thought it through. Firing Daboll & Schoen is a surefire way to ensure this franchise remains in the shitter for the next 5 years. If you want that you’re fucking stupid. No offense
The 2022 NY giants did win in spite of Daboll. He got lucky. Things went right for the team. Context matters. Joe Judge almost made the playoffs. Was that because of his genius coaching? It couldn’t have been because the NFC East was dogshit right? You can apply your logic to anything.
Leonard Willams presumably had value at the time. You trade him for picks. You rid the contract and fully imbrace the rebuild. Same thing with Adoree Jackson. The team would have had to work on the specifics ( if there’s any money retained) etc. Your trying to make a simple and routine situation sound complicated for a comeback
By firing Daboll, you DO send a message to the next head coach. That message would be that you have to understand the basics of clock management and cannot be a fucking idiot.
But more importantly
Do you know how fucking stupid YOU are?
Your trying to act like you understand the culture and business dynamics of football, which is mostly behind closed doors. That I do not claim to know. I do know and can informatively comment on the final results of free agency, the draft, the roster, the wins and losses, and even things like cap space. I also can watch the games for myself. That’s not private. However, I can’t tell you about the personal relationships between teams and coaching prospects and what entails in drawing them to your team. Which is something that you seem to know about. Yet, that process is almost entirely private.
And by the way, the giants will have no problem finding a head coach. There will be a line of coordinators and even former head coaches. NFL head coaching jobs are sought after, there’s only 32 of them. The giants will be able to find one.
“ Same goes for Schoen too.”
The giants will be able to find a general manager and one of their choice. There will be no shortage of options.
See, if you cant see two feet in front of you, I could see why you would want to keep this current group. He made the playoffs in his first season etc. But that doesn’t tell the full story.
Joe Judge went 6-10. Brian Daboll went 9-7-1. Do you see the difference? Also, the NFC East was amazing last year lmfao, it had 3 playoff teams and Washington was in it until week 17. Comparing Judge’s 2020, when the team went 6-10 and missed the playoffs, to Daboll’s 2021, where the team went 9-7-1 and WON A ROAD PLAYOFF GAME VS A 13 WIN VIKINGS TEAM is genuinely insane.
By firing Daboll, you DO send a message to the next head coach. That message would be that you have to understand the basics of clock management and cannot be a fucking idiot.
No you would send a message that 1 bad year, no matter what you’ve done previously or if it’s even your fault, is enough to get you fired. Whether you think it would come off like that or not, that’s what it would show
I can’t tell you about the personal relationships between teams and coaching prospects. And what entails in drawing them to your team. That process is almost entirely private.
Neither can I. What I can tell you is that no potential coach will have an organization that fires the reigning coach of the year after 1 year very high on their list. I don’t need to know the ins & outs of the process to tell you that
And by the way, the giants will have no problem finding a head coach. There will be a line of coordinators and even former head coaches. NFL head coaching jobs are sought after, there’s only 32 of them. The giants will be able to find one.
Yeah I’m sure will be able to find someone to coach the team, they just won’t be able to find anyone that has the potential to be our coach long term, since no promising coach would ever come here if we basically tell them that they need to be good every single year or they’re out, which is what we would be doing if we fired Daboll. There are “only 32” opportunities but new ones open up every year, many of them not with organizations that are seen as toxic, which is what we would be if we fired Daboll
The giants will be able to find a general manager and one of their choice. There will be no shortage of options.
Really? You seem awfully confident that executives would want to come to run an organization that basically says that if you haven’t fixed everything in 2 years, you’re out. There is good reason to believe that is not the case. If I’m a promising executive seen as a potential future GM, why would I go run a shitshow organization where I know I could be canned as soon as 2 years in when I can wait for an opportunity with a better organization that might let me have an actual opportunity to see my vision out?
You clearly have no idea how the NFL works. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand.