• Retropunk64@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    Okay, and? Doesn’t change the fact that they’re murdering the current system to replace it with something far more dangerous.

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      2 days ago

      i edited my comment after you responded, before i noticed that you did.

      i argue that this is capitalism working as intended. its just that they don’t feel like hiding it anymore. if we just wait and let it collapse it might as well bring the literal habitability of the planet down with it. the burgeoise does not seem to want to stray from this path. the us empire is indeed collapsing, however.

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          2 days ago

          see what i mean is thats not sabotage, its neither. thats just squeezing more out of us, poors are getting poorer. the people on the reigns are slightly less dumb than they look.

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            They ARE sabotaging the system that we as a society built though. Nothing is collapsing, they’re just knocking it down on our heads. Who said they were dumb, you?

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              14 hours ago

              Let’s just pretend the US haute bourgeoisie are intentionally burning down the economic system that made and continues to make them rich, fully aware of what they’re doing it.

              At whose behest? For what reason? Listen to yourself.

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                Control. They already have more money than god, the system has already served it’s purpose. But the safeguards that keep you and me safe also keeps them in line (mostly). Knock those safeguards down, and they can do whatever the fuck they want with impunity. The wealth disparity will only get worse, they will control everything, and we will be literal slaves to their whims.

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              we as a society didn’t build capitalism from the ground up, and capitalism was always supposed to have a boot constantly on our throats. theres nothing being “knocked down”, capitalism isnt going anywhere. there was never democracy in capitalism in the first place.

              they are just taking away the comforts they themselves conceded to us before.

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                24 hours ago

                The American capitalist society we built is more than that. That is what is being knocked down.

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                  24 hours ago

                  what you are probably referring to is not capitalism, they would never destroy the source of their own power. its the new deal-era soviet-inspired social security net. capitalism is what remains after they are done.

                  and you only got that because people were getting angry at the capitalists and were organized enough to have actual leverage. they are destroying the island of socialist policies you had.

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                    23 hours ago

                    Its not a part of raw capitalism, but capitalism doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and it absolutey is a part of the capitalist system that America has built.