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Cake day: October 25th, 2023

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  • Do you have a way to charge at home? What are electricity rates, including time of use rates, and what are gas prices in your local area? How many miles are you putting in on average a day? How often would you need to use public charging? What incentives if any do you qualify for? What segment of the automotive market are you looking at? What is your budget?

    EVs can save money, they can even save a *lot* of money compared to its closest ICE competitor, but it depends on those factors above and more so without them the question doesn’t make much sense.

    Also, if you want to save money, don’t get a car if you can find a way to swing it. Use mass transit, biking, micromobility (electric bike, electric scooter), etc.



  • How cold is the winter you’re driving in?

    PHEVs or early BEVs (no hybrid) with smaller capacity battery packs will get hit by winter much harder if it’s really cold and you’re spending energy to initially heat up the vehicle after every time it gets “cold-soaked”. The vehicle has a certain amount of material and space it needs to heat up from an ambient cold temperature and that requires a certain amount of energy over a fairly short amount of time.

    Arbitrary example: let’s say it takes 5 kWh to heat up the vehicle from 0 F to a comfortable 70 F. In a 16 kWh battery, that’s going to be a massive percentage of the capacity and the miles in that fairly short amount of time and you’re not going to have much usable range if you started at 31 miles and about a third of it is gone to warm up the vehicle. If you have a battery capacity of 60 kWh and normally 250 miles of range though which is more in line with battery electric vehicles sold today, that 5 kWh would be a small dip relative to the overall range and would still be fine for most trips.

    Overused rental car is possible as a factor as well.






  • Essentially, as EVs are currently, they are only clearly “better” in the way OP probably is going towards of more convenient and a better value if you have access to relatively cheap and convenient dedicated home or workplace charging. This dramatically changes the experience of having an EV and that appears to be true at the moment regardless of which country you’re talking about. That is not what the OP has since he has stated there is no possibility of him getting a charger in his building. That’s essentially what this distills down to.

    There’s going to need to be work done on some combination of having more public charging, better fast charging, better efficiency, and greater range for the price in order to compare favorably to internal combustion engine competitors when someone does not have dedicated home or workplace charging This is something pretty well understood and agreed upon by many here. Those things are getting addressed though and it is far easier to live with an EV without dedicated home or workplace charging in most places than it ever has been and a massive change from even just a decade ago, and there is no indication that improvements have hit a brick wall.

    I’m not sure that last political bit makes much sense. That ban is for 2035 on *new* vehicles and it’s announced well ahead of time so that countries and automakers can prepare for it.





  • Sales seem to point to there not being a slowdown in adoption rate, but rather an increase in total and proportional amounts from previous years. There are individual automakers that seemed to have put out offerings at prices and specs that are probably not doing as well as they hoped, but the overall US EV market seems to be growing.