Not very strange, it’s basically Jersey Rudy but in the story Rudy wins at least two games for a team and fan base with no hope, people love a sports underdog story especially if that underdog is a hometown guy

the 07 line was trash in 05, young lines take time to gel, we have a rookie/sophmore starting and another sophmore on IR, no one wants to hear it but we have to try and get something out of these assets, change the coach, bring in some strong IOL and Swing vets and let the young guys gel as a unit

The scale is curious to me, are you going by percentage of starters needed or importance to being a successful team next year? I’d probably argue that:

WR is 4/10 at most because you do have Wandale, Hyatt and Hodgins (as well as Waller who can be a #1 option when healthy) that group should be functional for a decent qb especially given the level of scheming our coaches have been able to deliver

Oline 6/10: you have an all pro LT a 2nd round center so 2/5 are covered. You also have several other reasonably highly drafted rookies. I’m at the point where I think we may need better coaching and pre snap adjustments as it can’t be a talent issue. 6/10 because we need to get depth and reliable starters at swing and RG

Defense

IDL 5/10 - we have a top 3 DT in Dex and have nacho, we get another guy like ashawn or resign him with some mid round picks we are covered, also we have Riley and Davidson who could be competent back ups

The rest of these I’d agree with

Agreed we had a shit ton of injuries, team and coaches rallied and we are having a fun linsanity 2.0 run. This is at worst a 5 and maybe into the 3-4 smirk zone

I don’t see a lot of corollary between 16/17 and 22/23, Reese went all in in 2016 signing high priced vets to win, and they did, they then crashed to earth in 17 with injuries and underperformance, mcadoo while a good schemer really didn’t maximize either season based on the dollars plowed into vets

In contract Schoen gutted the team in 2022 and made conservative signings in 2023 while focusing on young talent in the draft. Daboll in 2022 schemed the hell out of each game while maximizing the talent of a bunch of misfit toys, regression happened in 2023 but the roster still isn’t stacked with talent and based on the key injuries maybe worse then last year for long stretches. Even with that we were right in the Jets/Bills game and have squeaked out wins with a rook udfa behind a garbage line

Net/net I feel awesome about our coaches and how they ve maximized the roster both seasons and kept the team together through all the injury adversity

While I agree with you that good orgs don’t tank im pretty sure a few teams ownership has been caught paying for losses; most recently the dolphins

I’m not saying they can’t improve the team next year, they have $60m in cap space there are opportunities to improve

I’m saying i think schoen made a misstep in DJ because i think a better rebuilding strategy would be

$107m in cap + rookie QB

Vs

$61m in cap + DJ + rookie qb

And schoen owns that choice in my eyes

I can see your point but I’d rather have $47M next year to go after a Ridley or Higgins plus some vet lineman for a rook rather then letting him sit for a season

I agree with you with the exception of the rebuild comment; schoen made his qb decision with DJ and needs to own it. Unless Mara comes out and says he forced Schoen to resign DJ Schoen was in charge of that decision and it has to be a mark against his “rebuild” strategy

Don’t know why you are getting downvoted, Jones won the negotiation by about $4-$6M AAV when his performance is compared to the other QBs last year. Frankly he should be buying Saquon drinks for life because I still believe he gets tagged if saquon takes the bye week offer

Maybe but dealing with an offense that lost its top 3 players for most the season he gets one more year based on what he did with a weak but healthy roster last year

Maybe but dealing with an offense that lost its top 3 players for most the season he gets one more year based on what he did with a weak but healthy roster last year

I’m going to ride with Kafka for one more season, especially if we draft a rook qb, he’s a year out from a lot of HC buzz as a rookie coordinator and had a ton of hand in mahomes development

O line, training staff and ST coaches need to go…

I don’t think the word Tank comes up at all. I think the team leadership discusses what are the priorities for this year given the teams performance. Im assuming this happens a couple times a season with every team. For the giants im assuming

1. They want to see what they have with young players, evaluating vets doesn’t bring much in the way of value

2. Ensure that the vets that are part of the teams multi year plan fully heal from any injuries. No reason to rush back from injuries and risk re injury if there isn’t a chance at playoffs

3. Let the coaches try out some different schemes that they would like to use in the future. Try things that maybe off script

4. Talk to the owner about the comparison of last season and this, what can we do to prevent as dramatic a swing from season to season, consistent growth will be critical as the team enters year 3

5. Focus on team evaluation from players to coaches to FO, do you have the right people to be the org you want to be

6. Spend time with your vets and understand their goals. The way schoen handled LW is a path to ensuring future FAs want to be part of your org

7. Evaluate the fuck out of the draft

Saquon has been successful with whatever offensive line is in front of him when healthy

For how many excuses we make for poor offensive performance due to the line my guy has always made it happen

.5 PPR, pick 2

Dotson @ Sea

Gabe Davis v Denver

Pickens vs GB

Johnson vs GB

I haven’t heard anyone say they are luck love prospects, that said Luck has been widely touted as the best qb prospect in almost 15 years.

What I have heard is that Maye and Williams are on the same tier as T Law as prospects so if you set your expectations on them being guys showing talent that could be too 10 nfl QB you’ll be in the right area

The final reason for the hype is that draft pundits don’t like next years qbs so may and Williams will get a bump as they are sandwiched between last years bad qb class and the projection of a bad class next year as well

Bears vs Cardinals Christmas Eve could be a hell of a present as well in draft slotting

Giants are a bad team is why