It’s not a fair question because we KNOW he won a title, the MVP is a complete crapshoot.

If we are saying he was hypothetically guaranteed an MVP if he stayed, he still goes to LA for the ring IMO

Just pick a team, this sub deals with like 5 posts like this per week.

partially because he can’t be relied on to take as many shots.

If the play falls apart and he has the ball, he’s not going to bail you out with a nice shot very often. A lot of those “lazy” or bad offensive possessions get converted by superstars, that is what makes them superstars offensively. The fact that AD can’t be relied on to make his own high % shot is troublesome, that’s what leads to those mid range attempts that he was 5/33 on

• Shaq/Duncan went toe to toe and swapped from 99-04
• KG for a brief period in 2004
• No distinct #1 from 05-08, a few could be argued
• 08-10 Kobe with LeBron 1B
• 10-15 LeBron
• 2016 Steph with LeBron still 1B
• 2017-20 LeBron
• 20-22 Giannis and Jokic

and (some) people really try to spin in like the Warriors were not the favorites heading into 2017 if they didn’t land KD.

They would have been massive favorites. They were already way better than the Cavs, I say this as a cavs fan. We needed LeBron and Kyrie to play the best basketball of their careers and Steph/Klay to underperform while also getting 1 win with Draymond suspended.

They had won 140 games in 2 seasons, and were 1 game away from having the most dominant 2 year stretch in NBA history, arguably NA professional sports history.

bro has his age in his username so its to be expected

propaganda

Totals for me, I just think its less arbitrary. I’m taking a guy avg 29.5 for 82 games over one who averages 29.7 in 67 games.

I see the case for both , but I always felt that totals don’t lie. You can’t make an arbitrary cutoff with totals, its always who gets the most.

Kobe Bryant is not a top 10 player of all-time

Put them in Montreal! the Largest Metro population in USA/Canada without an NBA team (100k more than Seattle)

This graph should have % in brackets so people don’t get confused like OP and think 40% on 12 attempts is not good

kids who were jacking up 3’s in 2K and going for it on 4th and 2 in Madden are taking massive W’s now

go see LeBron

Fun fact he was also the first player LeBron faced who has born after he made his NBA debut

Grant Hill was top 3 in MVP voting and being hailed as the next face of the league. He was in a ton of commercials etc. He was the definition of a superstar in the late 90s in terms of on and off court.

Blake was also top 3 in MVP voting and was definitely an “emerging superstar” if not one for a short period of time.

Nash - B2B mvps this isn’t a question.

Allen and Pierce were both borderline superstars.

Boogie was not a superstar, he was a star, same for Jermaine

bro you could gift them an entire all-pro O-line and they still go 0-17.

Who is the QB? RB? There are a few guys who could play TE and WR somewhat to standard and then you basically have nobody else

That would mean only Nash, Curry, and Mark Price qualify for a career. That’s ultra-elite.

I would say anything over 87% can be considered elite for FT%

Zion had a lot of hype in terms of being a flashy dunker and being a crowd fav etc, the marketing potential was definitely there to be one of the most popular players, and he absolutely had superstar and MVP potential too - But Wemby is definitely more highly regarded in terms of how good he can become.

So in a sense Zion had nearly as much hype but was not actually as highly regarded as a prospect